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Some problems with your example of "teaching negotiation strategies": - It assumes that discriminatory outcomes are solely created by behavioural differences (

Some problems with your example of "teaching negotiation strategies": - It assumes that discriminatory outcomes are solely created by behavioural differences (i. e. "Women would earn the same if only they were better negotiators"). While nobody is denying that behaviour is a contributing factor, it's hard to deny that there is some direct discrimination going on[0] - It takes the existing structures as god-given, unchangeable fact, i. e. "Compensation is set in an adversarial negotiation". - It assumes that the outcome of a process cannot be discriminatory if gender/race/age/... weren't direct inputs into the process, i. e. "we'd love to have more African-American engineers, but the Lacrosse-requirement has always been part of our hiring process". - It places the full burden of change on the group that is discriminated against, i. e. "Teach women to act more like white men when negotiating". - It fais to answer the question "What should I, an African-American, do to lower my chances of being shot at any random traffic stop?" [0]: from your Wikipedia link: "A 2007 study showed that for identical resumes fewer replies were sent to men compared with women (it also showed that women do worse when they have children, while men do worse when they don't).[66] Another study showed more jobs for women when orchestras moved to blind auditions"

Normal_gaussian 10y ago
* the negotiation example was taken from the EU summary article as an example not based on the persons choice * the gist of my argument is that people aren't all the same and have predispositions * the 'stop yourself getting shot' argument is ridiculous. I was highlighting that discrimination based on proxy groups is bad. As for what to do if you are being discriminated against? Don't go for 'positive' doscrimination, identify the group you are being used as a proxy for and convince the people with power that you aren't them. Of course it isn't easy, but at least it doesn't shove thr problem onto somebody else.

Normal_gaussian 10y ago

* the negotiation example was taken from the EU summary article as an example not based on the persons choice * the gist of my argument is that people aren't all the same and have predispositions * the 'stop yourself getting shot' argument is ridiculous. I was highlighting that discrimination based on proxy groups is bad. As for what to do if you are being discriminated against? Don't go for 'positive' doscrimination, identify the group you are being used as a proxy for and convince the people with power that you aren't them. Of course it isn't easy, but at least it doesn't shove thr problem onto somebody else.