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>Any Google Pixel. That's hilarious. That device was just released. > Read, comprehend, and then post. I said the current iOS version. The latest iOS versions

by Bud 10y ago

>Any Google Pixel. That's hilarious. That device was just released. > Read, comprehend, and then post. I said the current iOS version. The latest iOS versions vastly decrease the performance, especially on the older iPhones. So the user has a choice: * No security updates. * The latest and the greatest with decreased performance. -- You shouldn't snark when you're not even right. You don't know what you're talking about. Apple is able to push out vital security updates WITHOUT doing a full software update, first off, and second, you have no evidence that older iOS versions are lacking for any important updates. You're also wrong about "vastly decreased" performance. I work with lots of iPhones for a living. Those models are slower because they are slower to begin with; Apple actually works quite hard to maintain acceptable performance with current iOS even on older models. I concede that the 4S is really too slow now under iOS 10, but the 5 and 5S are just fine, and as I've claimed in this thread, that constitutes MUCH better support by Apple for older devices than by the Android market. You citing the Google Pixel is just a fantasy and shows how hilariously off your argument is; that's a device with TWO MONTHS of history behind it thus far. You actually have no clue how long it will be supported; you're guessing and hoping about the future in response to a solid argument about the present and the recent past. Apple is kicking Android's ass in this department, that's universally understood. >Yes, with security updates, there are and its improving as well. Any Google Pixel. The Fairphone 2. Samsung Galaxy S series. And many others. Another distorted lie-response to a claim I didn't make; I didn't say "with security updates". I said full compatibility with the fully-updated software. >I've never heard of someone going to an Apple store to replace their battery? That's because you don't know anything about iPhones. Clearly. It's a very very common repair. >I have zero interest in Apple's locked down iDevices Yes, your bias is evident, but thanks. Tragically what you're missing here is that locked-down nature also makes the devices secure. You are boasting about security "updates" for a platform that is fundamentally insecure. Do you recall reading any stories about FBI pressuring Google or Android phone makers to unlock a phone for a vital terrorism case? Yeah. Me neither. Got any idea why that is? >Repairing iPhone screen is very expensive. You probably have no clue what it actually costs. >I don't give a shit about this hipster hype of needing the latest features. All I want is a phone which keeps working, and remains secure. Things can't "remain secure" that weren't secure in the first place. And updated OS software is not "hipster hype", no matter what you think.

Fnoord 10y ago
> That's hilarious. That device was just released. Pixel/Nexus then. The reason Pixel is valid is because Google has been giving these devices (since you're not very good at reading: 'these devices' refers to 'Pixel/Nexus') good support for a long time. > You're also wrong about "vastly decreased" performance. I am not; it is widely documented. > Apple is kicking Android's ass in this department, that's universally understood. Did you read what I wrote? Did you comprehend? I haven't been comparing to all Android devices. I never did, never have, in none of my posts. Why would I? I know there are Android vendors who deliver shit support. What I am not saying is that all Android vendors do this. Motorola, for example, when still part of Google delivered good support, and all the examples I previously gave also still count. > Another distorted lie-response to a claim I didn't make; I didn't say "with security updates". I said full compatibility with the fully-updated software. Yes, I know you didn't claim that because you're unable to see I am the one who claimed that because your claim was, well, I'll be friendly: "inaccurate". I don't want full software support, I don't give a shit about full software support. I want security and reliability fixes, and, quite frankly it should fall under warranty. Nobody tosses their fridge, car, oven, PC after 2 or 3 years yet in handheld (smartphone/tablet) market this is somewhat normal. We agree there is a problem here, and on average compared to Android, yes Apple does better. At a premium price though. > Apple is able to push out vital security updates WITHOUT doing a full software update Yeah, with magic fairy tale patches. Get real. I don't have proof? All the vulnerabilities found and patched lately (good part of 2015, and all of 2016) in iOS 10 are not available in iOS 8: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_8 Nevermind iOS 7 and lower. Even iOS 9 seems not so good supported anymore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_9 "Support status Third-party application support only" Great that means my mother's iPad from 2012 isn't supported anymore. Yeah, great software support... > Yes, your bias is evident Pot, meet kettle. > Tragically what you're missing here is that locked-down nature also makes the devices secure. My Android phone is not rooted, and I'm talking about locked down in the sense that I am not able to replace the hardware. In the sense that I'm more or less leasing the device since I am not allowed or easily able to get root if I desire. In the sense that an American company is putting their values on me as an European which means: violence is good, sex is bad. Fuck those values, I decide what is good and bad for me, my wife, and my children. I'd also argue that every phone is fundamentally insecure to nation states if the attacker has physical access. > You probably have no clue what it actually costs. I do, I bought an iPhone SE for my mother and had the shop install a screen protector for her. While they were attaching it, I informed how much it'd cost to repair. Like I said, 160 EUR at minimum.

by Bud 10y ago

Fnoord 10y ago

> That's hilarious. That device was just released. Pixel/Nexus then. The reason Pixel is valid is because Google has been giving these devices (since you're not very good at reading: 'these devices' refers to 'Pixel/Nexus') good support for a long time. > You're also wrong about "vastly decreased" performance. I am not; it is widely documented. > Apple is kicking Android's ass in this department, that's universally understood. Did you read what I wrote? Did you comprehend? I haven't been comparing to all Android devices. I never did, never have, in none of my posts. Why would I? I know there are Android vendors who deliver shit support. What I am not saying is that all Android vendors do this. Motorola, for example, when still part of Google delivered good support, and all the examples I previously gave also still count. > Another distorted lie-response to a claim I didn't make; I didn't say "with security updates". I said full compatibility with the fully-updated software. Yes, I know you didn't claim that because you're unable to see I am the one who claimed that because your claim was, well, I'll be friendly: "inaccurate". I don't want full software support, I don't give a shit about full software support. I want security and reliability fixes, and, quite frankly it should fall under warranty. Nobody tosses their fridge, car, oven, PC after 2 or 3 years yet in handheld (smartphone/tablet) market this is somewhat normal. We agree there is a problem here, and on average compared to Android, yes Apple does better. At a premium price though. > Apple is able to push out vital security updates WITHOUT doing a full software update Yeah, with magic fairy tale patches. Get real. I don't have proof? All the vulnerabilities found and patched lately (good part of 2015, and all of 2016) in iOS 10 are not available in iOS 8: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_8 Nevermind iOS 7 and lower. Even iOS 9 seems not so good supported anymore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_9 "Support status Third-party application support only" Great that means my mother's iPad from 2012 isn't supported anymore. Yeah, great software support... > Yes, your bias is evident Pot, meet kettle. > Tragically what you're missing here is that locked-down nature also makes the devices secure. My Android phone is not rooted, and I'm talking about locked down in the sense that I am not able to replace the hardware. In the sense that I'm more or less leasing the device since I am not allowed or easily able to get root if I desire. In the sense that an American company is putting their values on me as an European which means: violence is good, sex is bad. Fuck those values, I decide what is good and bad for me, my wife, and my children. I'd also argue that every phone is fundamentally insecure to nation states if the attacker has physical access. > You probably have no clue what it actually costs. I do, I bought an iPhone SE for my mother and had the shop install a screen protector for her. While they were attaching it, I informed how much it'd cost to repair. Like I said, 160 EUR at minimum.