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What a beautiful story. Some people will say there is no discrimination anymore. Personally, I don't buy that - and I'm speaking from personal experience. Even

What a beautiful story. Some people will say there is no discrimination anymore. Personally, I don't buy that - and I'm speaking from personal experience. Even in the most enlightened places like HN, it is helpful to impersonate on line the kind of person that others readers would expect me to be, vs. being who I really am. You know the old saying- on the internet, nobody knows you're a dog!

intrasight 10y ago
It was a beautiful story - and one that I wasn't familiar with. I do hope there are more such waiting to be revealed! I'll never forget seeing that comic in The New Yorker in '93. A colleague of mine clipped it out and pasted it on the wall behind his desk. Also in that year, the New York Times asked readers at the end of the year how many times the word "internet" had occurred in the newspaper during the year. I believe the answer was ~200.
- duskwuff 10y ago
  The Joy of Tech did an updated version of that comic a few years back: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1862.html http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1862.html
discombobulate 10y ago
There seems to be discrimination[0]. [0] https://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/04/women-preferred-21-over-men-stem-faculty-positions https://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/04/women-preferred... Edit: Wrong link. Someone could have told me explicitly.
- finid 10y ago
  What's the point of that link?
  - discombobulate 10y ago
    Evidence backing up my claim.
    - finid 10y ago
      I made that comment because the link pointed to an RSS Feed.
- vertex-four 10y ago
  You linked to an RSS feed, not a web page.
  - discombobulate 10y ago
    I just realised after getting downvoted. Thanks for the heads up!
finid 10y ago
Some people will say there is no discrimination anymore. Who's saying that? There's discrimination everywhere you look, and it doesn't have to take the form detailed in the article.
- vertex-four 10y ago
  A surprising amount of people feel like gay marriage was the final thing to implement for an equal society. There's an argument that equal treatment under the law results in equality in practice, which is of course incorrect, even if we did have equal treatment under the law (some things disproportionately affect minority groups, so just saying "we do it to everyone" doesn't help).
  - PhasmaFelis 10y ago
    True, and it's actually worse than that--we finally have a national marriage equality law, but we don't have national employment or housing equality, which should be even more fundamental. And God help you if you happen to be trans. There's a great deal of bitterness from poorer GLBTs that they've been essentially thrown under the bus by the gay rights movement. Marriage is important, but there's a lot of fair-weather activists saying "mission accomplished" when the basic survival needs of millions of people are still completely unprotected.
    - Spivak 10y ago
      > bitterness from poorer GLBTs that they've been essentially thrown under the bus by the gay rights movement This one seems weird to me as someone who is part of that community; the two issues seem orthogonal unless we're talking specifically about things like discrimination against LGBT employees and LGBT kids that are thrown out of their homes. I guess the best explanation is that some people base too much of their identity on their sexuality and forget that they can also be active in more general human rights issues.
      - PhasmaFelis 10y ago
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Rapzid 10y ago
This is interesting https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/19/women-really-are-better-doctors-study-suggests/?utm_term=.12e90a928120 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/19/women... . I imagine that if male doctors became so less preferred that one tried to pass himself off as female... The patients would robbed of their right to make an informed healthcare choice. That would be considered a type of fraud? What of discrimination then? What happens when studies show females are better doctors than males? As a male, I would certainly feel compelled to choose a female physician in such a world in the absence of other quantitative data to make a comparison. Surgeons are a little easier to vet with well-documented outcomes..
- judahmeek 10y ago
  Actually, studies already show that females make better doctors: http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2593255 http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullart...
  - rokosbasilisk 10y ago
    have you actually read the article? It was a very specific study on elderly care, not general out patient and very suspect. I would not even remotely conclude female or male doctors are better than each other from it.

intrasight 10y ago

It was a beautiful story - and one that I wasn't familiar with. I do hope there are more such waiting to be revealed! I'll never forget seeing that comic in The New Yorker in '93. A colleague of mine clipped it out and pasted it on the wall behind his desk. Also in that year, the New York Times asked readers at the end of the year how many times the word "internet" had occurred in the newspaper during the year. I believe the answer was ~200.

duskwuff 10y ago
The Joy of Tech did an updated version of that comic a few years back: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1862.html http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1862.html

discombobulate 10y ago

There seems to be discrimination[0]. [0] https://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/04/women-preferred-21-over-men-stem-faculty-positions https://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/04/women-preferred... Edit: Wrong link. Someone could have told me explicitly.

finid 10y ago
What's the point of that link?
- discombobulate 10y ago
  Evidence backing up my claim.
  - finid 10y ago
    I made that comment because the link pointed to an RSS Feed.
vertex-four 10y ago
You linked to an RSS feed, not a web page.
- discombobulate 10y ago
  I just realised after getting downvoted. Thanks for the heads up!

finid 10y ago

Some people will say there is no discrimination anymore. Who's saying that? There's discrimination everywhere you look, and it doesn't have to take the form detailed in the article.

vertex-four 10y ago
A surprising amount of people feel like gay marriage was the final thing to implement for an equal society. There's an argument that equal treatment under the law results in equality in practice, which is of course incorrect, even if we did have equal treatment under the law (some things disproportionately affect minority groups, so just saying "we do it to everyone" doesn't help).
- PhasmaFelis 10y ago
  True, and it's actually worse than that--we finally have a national marriage equality law, but we don't have national employment or housing equality, which should be even more fundamental. And God help you if you happen to be trans. There's a great deal of bitterness from poorer GLBTs that they've been essentially thrown under the bus by the gay rights movement. Marriage is important, but there's a lot of fair-weather activists saying "mission accomplished" when the basic survival needs of millions of people are still completely unprotected.
  - Spivak 10y ago
    > bitterness from poorer GLBTs that they've been essentially thrown under the bus by the gay rights movement This one seems weird to me as someone who is part of that community; the two issues seem orthogonal unless we're talking specifically about things like discrimination against LGBT employees and LGBT kids that are thrown out of their homes. I guess the best explanation is that some people base too much of their identity on their sexuality and forget that they can also be active in more general human rights issues.
    - PhasmaFelis 10y ago

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Rapzid 10y ago

This is interesting https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/19/women-really-are-better-doctors-study-suggests/?utm_term=.12e90a928120 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/19/women... . I imagine that if male doctors became so less preferred that one tried to pass himself off as female... The patients would robbed of their right to make an informed healthcare choice. That would be considered a type of fraud? What of discrimination then? What happens when studies show females are better doctors than males? As a male, I would certainly feel compelled to choose a female physician in such a world in the absence of other quantitative data to make a comparison. Surgeons are a little easier to vet with well-documented outcomes..

judahmeek 10y ago
Actually, studies already show that females make better doctors: http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2593255 http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullart...
- rokosbasilisk 10y ago
  have you actually read the article? It was a very specific study on elderly care, not general out patient and very suspect. I would not even remotely conclude female or male doctors are better than each other from it.