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Sorry, but you're wrong about iOS not supporting security fixes, and you're having to create an artificial situation to justify your argument: the situation whe

by Bud 10y ago

Sorry, but you're wrong about iOS not supporting security fixes, and you're having to create an artificial situation to justify your argument: the situation where a user doesn't stay updated to the latest iOS, when in fact, the user has every motivation to do so. Meanwhile, in your Android world, there are basically NO devices that are able to stay fully up-to-date with current Android for more than about 12-18 months. Apple wins here by a wide margin, supporting devices for 4-5 years, universally, no need to get lucky and have one of the 2-3% of Android phones that actually get updated a tiny bit longer. iPhones are just as easy to replace the battery and screen in as any modern Android device; in addition, Apple provides screen and battery replacements. Did I mention that Apple's warranty and warranty support are also vastly superior? Because they are. Especially with AppleCare, but even without.

Fnoord 10y ago
> Sorry, but you're wrong about iOS not supporting security fixes, and you're having to create an artificial situation to justify your argument: the situation where a user doesn't stay updated to the latest iOS, when in fact, the user has every motivation to do so. Read, comprehend, and then post. I said the current iOS version. The latest iOS versions vastly decrease the performance, especially on the older iPhones. So the user has a choice: * No security updates. * The latest and the greatest with decreased performance. Have fun with your insecure or slow iPhone. (The same applies for iPad.) > Meanwhile, in your Android world, there are basically NO devices that are able to stay fully up-to-date with current Android for more than about 12-18 months. Yes, with security updates, there are and its improving as well. Any Google Pixel. The Fairphone 2. Samsung Galaxy S series. And many others. You carefully worded "stay fully up-to-date with current Android"; that is irrelevant. I don't give a shit about this hipster hype of needing the latest features. All I want is a phone which keeps working, and remains secure. > iPhones are just as easy to replace the battery and screen in as any modern Android device; in addition, Apple provides screen and battery replacements. Like I said, with my phone I just replace the screen or battery myself. Without even needing a (special) screwdriver. Repairing iPhone screen is very expensive. I see youth all the time running around with their broken iPhone screens. I've never heard of someone going to an Apple store to replace their battery? I have zero interest in Apple's locked down iDevices, and I want the MBP to stay away from that world. Unfortunately for me (and the many others who agree) it is exactly where macOS and the Macbooks are heading towards. > Did I mention that Apple's warranty and warranty support are also vastly superior? Because they are. Especially with AppleCare, but even without. AppleCare = anti harassment tax. Completely pointless. You have the same rights already from EU law, but you may have to enforce them via a lawsuit if they don't oblige. Besides that, I had AppleCare with my MBP 2010 and they claim that their design flaw didn't fall under it. Fool me once, ...
- slantyyz 10y ago
  >> Besides that, I had AppleCare with my MBP 2010 and they claim that their design flaw didn't fall under it. Fool me once, ... I feel for you. A lot of people who had the defective Early 2011 15" MBPs with discrete GPU issues (also a defectivd design, imo) also had mixed outcomes when dealing with Apple. Mine bricked right after my AppleCare lapsed (had logic board replaced once under applecare, only took 2 months for problem to recur because of its defective design). I ended up buying a PC laptop. A few months later, Apple issued the repair order/recall. I was lucky I didn't recycle it or sell it for parts before the order was issued.
- Bud 10y ago
  >Any Google Pixel. That's hilarious. That device was just released. > Read, comprehend, and then post. I said the current iOS version. The latest iOS versions vastly decrease the performance, especially on the older iPhones. So the user has a choice: * No security updates. * The latest and the greatest with decreased performance. -- You shouldn't snark when you're not even right. You don't know what you're talking about. Apple is able to push out vital security updates WITHOUT doing a full software update, first off, and second, you have no evidence that older iOS versions are lacking for any important updates. You're also wrong about "vastly decreased" performance. I work with lots of iPhones for a living. Those models are slower because they are slower to begin with; Apple actually works quite hard to maintain acceptable performance with current iOS even on older models. I concede that the 4S is really too slow now under iOS 10, but the 5 and 5S are just fine, and as I've claimed in this thread, that constitutes MUCH better support by Apple for older devices than by the Android market. You citing the Google Pixel is just a fantasy and shows how hilariously off your argument is; that's a device with TWO MONTHS of history behind it thus far. You actually have no clue how long it will be supported; you're guessing and hoping about the future in response to a solid argument about the present and the recent past. Apple is kicking Android's ass in this department, that's universally understood. >Yes, with security updates, there are and its improving as well. Any Google Pixel. The Fairphone 2. Samsung Galaxy S series. And many others. Another distorted lie-response to a claim I didn't make; I didn't say "with security updates". I said full compatibility with the fully-updated software. >I've never heard of someone going to an Apple store to replace their battery? That's because you don't know anything about iPhones. Clearly. It's a very very common repair. >I have zero interest in Apple's locked down iDevices Yes, your bias is evident, but thanks. Tragically what you're missing here is that locked-down nature also makes the devices secure. You are boasting about security "updates" for a platform that is fundamentally insecure. Do you recall reading any stories about FBI pressuring Google or Android phone makers to unlock a phone for a vital terrorism case? Yeah. Me neither. Got any idea why that is? >Repairing iPhone screen is very expensive. You probably have no clue what it actually costs. >I don't give a shit about this hipster hype of needing the latest features. All I want is a phone which keeps working, and remains secure. Things can't "remain secure" that weren't secure in the first place. And updated OS software is not "hipster hype", no matter what you think.

by Bud 10y ago

Fnoord 10y ago

> Sorry, but you're wrong about iOS not supporting security fixes, and you're having to create an artificial situation to justify your argument: the situation where a user doesn't stay updated to the latest iOS, when in fact, the user has every motivation to do so. Read, comprehend, and then post. I said the current iOS version. The latest iOS versions vastly decrease the performance, especially on the older iPhones. So the user has a choice: * No security updates. * The latest and the greatest with decreased performance. Have fun with your insecure or slow iPhone. (The same applies for iPad.) > Meanwhile, in your Android world, there are basically NO devices that are able to stay fully up-to-date with current Android for more than about 12-18 months. Yes, with security updates, there are and its improving as well. Any Google Pixel. The Fairphone 2. Samsung Galaxy S series. And many others. You carefully worded "stay fully up-to-date with current Android"; that is irrelevant. I don't give a shit about this hipster hype of needing the latest features. All I want is a phone which keeps working, and remains secure. > iPhones are just as easy to replace the battery and screen in as any modern Android device; in addition, Apple provides screen and battery replacements. Like I said, with my phone I just replace the screen or battery myself. Without even needing a (special) screwdriver. Repairing iPhone screen is very expensive. I see youth all the time running around with their broken iPhone screens. I've never heard of someone going to an Apple store to replace their battery? I have zero interest in Apple's locked down iDevices, and I want the MBP to stay away from that world. Unfortunately for me (and the many others who agree) it is exactly where macOS and the Macbooks are heading towards. > Did I mention that Apple's warranty and warranty support are also vastly superior? Because they are. Especially with AppleCare, but even without. AppleCare = anti harassment tax. Completely pointless. You have the same rights already from EU law, but you may have to enforce them via a lawsuit if they don't oblige. Besides that, I had AppleCare with my MBP 2010 and they claim that their design flaw didn't fall under it. Fool me once, ...

slantyyz 10y ago
>> Besides that, I had AppleCare with my MBP 2010 and they claim that their design flaw didn't fall under it. Fool me once, ... I feel for you. A lot of people who had the defective Early 2011 15" MBPs with discrete GPU issues (also a defectivd design, imo) also had mixed outcomes when dealing with Apple. Mine bricked right after my AppleCare lapsed (had logic board replaced once under applecare, only took 2 months for problem to recur because of its defective design). I ended up buying a PC laptop. A few months later, Apple issued the repair order/recall. I was lucky I didn't recycle it or sell it for parts before the order was issued.
Bud 10y ago
>Any Google Pixel. That's hilarious. That device was just released. > Read, comprehend, and then post. I said the current iOS version. The latest iOS versions vastly decrease the performance, especially on the older iPhones. So the user has a choice: * No security updates. * The latest and the greatest with decreased performance. -- You shouldn't snark when you're not even right. You don't know what you're talking about. Apple is able to push out vital security updates WITHOUT doing a full software update, first off, and second, you have no evidence that older iOS versions are lacking for any important updates. You're also wrong about "vastly decreased" performance. I work with lots of iPhones for a living. Those models are slower because they are slower to begin with; Apple actually works quite hard to maintain acceptable performance with current iOS even on older models. I concede that the 4S is really too slow now under iOS 10, but the 5 and 5S are just fine, and as I've claimed in this thread, that constitutes MUCH better support by Apple for older devices than by the Android market. You citing the Google Pixel is just a fantasy and shows how hilariously off your argument is; that's a device with TWO MONTHS of history behind it thus far. You actually have no clue how long it will be supported; you're guessing and hoping about the future in response to a solid argument about the present and the recent past. Apple is kicking Android's ass in this department, that's universally understood. >Yes, with security updates, there are and its improving as well. Any Google Pixel. The Fairphone 2. Samsung Galaxy S series. And many others. Another distorted lie-response to a claim I didn't make; I didn't say "with security updates". I said full compatibility with the fully-updated software. >I've never heard of someone going to an Apple store to replace their battery? That's because you don't know anything about iPhones. Clearly. It's a very very common repair. >I have zero interest in Apple's locked down iDevices Yes, your bias is evident, but thanks. Tragically what you're missing here is that locked-down nature also makes the devices secure. You are boasting about security "updates" for a platform that is fundamentally insecure. Do you recall reading any stories about FBI pressuring Google or Android phone makers to unlock a phone for a vital terrorism case? Yeah. Me neither. Got any idea why that is? >Repairing iPhone screen is very expensive. You probably have no clue what it actually costs. >I don't give a shit about this hipster hype of needing the latest features. All I want is a phone which keeps working, and remains secure. Things can't "remain secure" that weren't secure in the first place. And updated OS software is not "hipster hype", no matter what you think.