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Absolutely no evidence for your "theory", which is the same old "planned obsolescence" canard we hear over and over about Apple. Always without evidence, and it

by Bud 10y ago

Absolutely no evidence for your "theory", which is the same old "planned obsolescence" canard we hear over and over about Apple. Always without evidence, and it always looks silly 3-4 years down the road when, lo and behold, all the machines in question are still working very nicely. Also, once the market catches up to USB-C, which will take 12-18 months, you'll no longer need those adapters. Lastly, it's just silly and inaccurate to call the iPhone "disposable", when in fact it leads the industry in terms of how long the product lasts, how long the OS is supported for older hardware, etc. By a wide margin.

slantyyz 10y ago
>> Lastly, it's just silly and inaccurate to call the iPhone "disposable", when in fact it leads the industry in terms of how long the product lasts, how long the OS is supported for older hardware, etc. By a wide margin. That might be the case post iPhone 5 (maybe someone can verify this), but it wasn't the case before that. The last available update of iOS for every model pretty much made the iPhone 4S and earlier unusable to all but the most patient users, and that's with very little software installed.
- Bud 10y ago
  Wrong; iOS 10 support does extend back to the iPhone 4S. Just Google it for 10 seconds and you will see that. Further, this proves my argument, not yours. Even if you were right and the iPhone 5 was the earliest model now supported, that device is more than FOUR YEARS OLD. There are zero Android phones from 2012 which can run the latest Android version. In fact, I'm not sure that there are even any 2014 devices that can fully update right now. Meanwhile Apple's still supporting a device from 2011, FIVE generations ago. Apple wins here, and it's not close.
  - slantyyz 10y ago
    >> Wrong; iOS 10 support does extend back to the iPhone 4S. Just Google it for 10 seconds and you will see that. You misunderstood my point. The last available operating system update on any 4S or earlier tends to be unusable because of performance issues. That's because each successive update adds bloat. I have a clean iPad 1, iPhone 3G, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S - all with the last available OS updates. They're barely usable as phones unless you have a lot of patience. >> Further, this proves my argument, not yours. Even if you were right and the iPhone 5 was the earliest model now supported, that device is more than FOUR YEARS OLD. There are zero Android phones from 2012 which can run the latest Android version. In fact, I'm not sure that there are even any 2014 devices that can fully update right now. Once again, you misunderstood my point. My mention of the iPhone 5 is as a placeholder for when the iPhone CPUs hit a maturity point in terms of performance where they would probably still be usable on the final version of the operating system that it will support. >> Apple wins here, and it's not close. Nobody's referring to this as contest, but ok, you can have that point if you want.
Fnoord 10y ago
> Absolutely no evidence for your "theory", which is the same old "planned obsolescence" canard we hear over and over about Apple. Always without evidence My current MBP from 2010 shipped with a broken GPU Apple refuses to replace in warranty (even though I bought a 3 year support contract which is pretty much an anti harassment tax). Yeah, premium support right there. The only reason I can use it is because some intelligent and nice people released a piece of open source software (with various 3rd party fixes to make it keep working in later OS X revisions) allowing me to swap to integrated instead of discrete graphics card. > Also, once the market catches up to USB-C, which will take 12-18 months, you'll no longer need those adapters. You do, well maybe you don't. But I would, and many other too. For all the devices you are currently using which you're not replacing with USB-C devices. > Lastly, it's just silly and inaccurate to call the iPhone "disposable", when in fact it leads the industry in terms of how long the product lasts, how long the OS is supported for older hardware, etc. By a wide margin. Well, you need to upgrade to the latest iOS or you can forget about security fixes. According to reports this leads to a lot less uptime and/or a slower device. So its far less rose tinted than you claim. Besides, the iPhone 4 doesn't get software updates anymore. On top of that, yes an iPhone is disposable from a hardware PoV as well. You can't upgrade any of the hardware, replacing the screen costs (in my country) 150+ EUR, you can't replace the battery (even though you are recharging daily which means after 3 years the battery is ripe for replacement). By contrast, my phone is getting security backports to its older Android version (5.1.x). I can replace the battery and screen myself without a problem.
- Bud 10y ago
  Sorry, but you're wrong about iOS not supporting security fixes, and you're having to create an artificial situation to justify your argument: the situation where a user doesn't stay updated to the latest iOS, when in fact, the user has every motivation to do so. Meanwhile, in your Android world, there are basically NO devices that are able to stay fully up-to-date with current Android for more than about 12-18 months. Apple wins here by a wide margin, supporting devices for 4-5 years, universally, no need to get lucky and have one of the 2-3% of Android phones that actually get updated a tiny bit longer. iPhones are just as easy to replace the battery and screen in as any modern Android device; in addition, Apple provides screen and battery replacements. Did I mention that Apple's warranty and warranty support are also vastly superior? Because they are. Especially with AppleCare, but even without.

by Bud 10y ago

slantyyz 10y ago

>> Lastly, it's just silly and inaccurate to call the iPhone "disposable", when in fact it leads the industry in terms of how long the product lasts, how long the OS is supported for older hardware, etc. By a wide margin. That might be the case post iPhone 5 (maybe someone can verify this), but it wasn't the case before that. The last available update of iOS for every model pretty much made the iPhone 4S and earlier unusable to all but the most patient users, and that's with very little software installed.

Bud 10y ago
Wrong; iOS 10 support does extend back to the iPhone 4S. Just Google it for 10 seconds and you will see that. Further, this proves my argument, not yours. Even if you were right and the iPhone 5 was the earliest model now supported, that device is more than FOUR YEARS OLD. There are zero Android phones from 2012 which can run the latest Android version. In fact, I'm not sure that there are even any 2014 devices that can fully update right now. Meanwhile Apple's still supporting a device from 2011, FIVE generations ago. Apple wins here, and it's not close.
- slantyyz 10y ago
  >> Wrong; iOS 10 support does extend back to the iPhone 4S. Just Google it for 10 seconds and you will see that. You misunderstood my point. The last available operating system update on any 4S or earlier tends to be unusable because of performance issues. That's because each successive update adds bloat. I have a clean iPad 1, iPhone 3G, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S - all with the last available OS updates. They're barely usable as phones unless you have a lot of patience. >> Further, this proves my argument, not yours. Even if you were right and the iPhone 5 was the earliest model now supported, that device is more than FOUR YEARS OLD. There are zero Android phones from 2012 which can run the latest Android version. In fact, I'm not sure that there are even any 2014 devices that can fully update right now. Once again, you misunderstood my point. My mention of the iPhone 5 is as a placeholder for when the iPhone CPUs hit a maturity point in terms of performance where they would probably still be usable on the final version of the operating system that it will support. >> Apple wins here, and it's not close. Nobody's referring to this as contest, but ok, you can have that point if you want.

Fnoord 10y ago

> Absolutely no evidence for your "theory", which is the same old "planned obsolescence" canard we hear over and over about Apple. Always without evidence My current MBP from 2010 shipped with a broken GPU Apple refuses to replace in warranty (even though I bought a 3 year support contract which is pretty much an anti harassment tax). Yeah, premium support right there. The only reason I can use it is because some intelligent and nice people released a piece of open source software (with various 3rd party fixes to make it keep working in later OS X revisions) allowing me to swap to integrated instead of discrete graphics card. > Also, once the market catches up to USB-C, which will take 12-18 months, you'll no longer need those adapters. You do, well maybe you don't. But I would, and many other too. For all the devices you are currently using which you're not replacing with USB-C devices. > Lastly, it's just silly and inaccurate to call the iPhone "disposable", when in fact it leads the industry in terms of how long the product lasts, how long the OS is supported for older hardware, etc. By a wide margin. Well, you need to upgrade to the latest iOS or you can forget about security fixes. According to reports this leads to a lot less uptime and/or a slower device. So its far less rose tinted than you claim. Besides, the iPhone 4 doesn't get software updates anymore. On top of that, yes an iPhone is disposable from a hardware PoV as well. You can't upgrade any of the hardware, replacing the screen costs (in my country) 150+ EUR, you can't replace the battery (even though you are recharging daily which means after 3 years the battery is ripe for replacement). By contrast, my phone is getting security backports to its older Android version (5.1.x). I can replace the battery and screen myself without a problem.

Bud 10y ago
Sorry, but you're wrong about iOS not supporting security fixes, and you're having to create an artificial situation to justify your argument: the situation where a user doesn't stay updated to the latest iOS, when in fact, the user has every motivation to do so. Meanwhile, in your Android world, there are basically NO devices that are able to stay fully up-to-date with current Android for more than about 12-18 months. Apple wins here by a wide margin, supporting devices for 4-5 years, universally, no need to get lucky and have one of the 2-3% of Android phones that actually get updated a tiny bit longer. iPhones are just as easy to replace the battery and screen in as any modern Android device; in addition, Apple provides screen and battery replacements. Did I mention that Apple's warranty and warranty support are also vastly superior? Because they are. Especially with AppleCare, but even without.