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I dunno man, my eyes glazed over somewhere in the middle of that third paragraph and I'm just happy I don't have to deal with any of that. Think they'll wise u

by repler 10y ago

I dunno man, my eyes glazed over somewhere in the middle of that third paragraph and I'm just happy I don't have to deal with any of that. Think they'll wise up and change any of it on the next model?

dave_sullivan 10y ago
"Steve never would have backed down, remove more ports!" is how that product meeting will go.
- supster 10y ago
  "The future is wireless!"
  - FireBeyond 10y ago
    That was actually Apple's summation when it came to issues like "why not support metered connections and data use limiting?" - that they didn't feel that is a compromise they should have to make.
- slantyyz 10y ago
  The thing that bugs me about the argument for USB-C only on the new MBPs is that the early 2011 MBPs came out while Steve Jobs was alive. That year was the first appearance of the Thunderbolt port on a Macbook Pro. You could have theoretically removed every legacy port outside of the MagSafe port and only had a bunch of TB ports to handle the I/O of peripherals. Yet Apple left the USB, FW800 (on the 15/17, maybe the 13 too) and SD reader instead of making people buy dongles to make up for the slack.
  - jsjohnst 10y ago
    Jobs took medical leave January 17th, 2011.
    - slantyyz 10y ago
      Sure but the MBPs came out in March 2011, so the design decisions very likely happened in 2010.
      - jsjohnst 10y ago
        This is a pointless debate, but I'm sure he had other priorities at that time.
  - 010a 10y ago
    There wouldn't have been any auxiliary advantages to switching to full TB2. TB2/mDP can't carry power. It was physically a much larger port, which means they couldn't scale down the size of the machine. And, ultimately, mDP is a much less useful port than the universally standard USB-C.
    - slantyyz 10y ago
      For the sake of argument, in 2011 we'd be talking about TB1. TB1/mdp is larger than USB-C - in 2011 terms though, it'd be considered small. The mdp port is smaller than regular USB, ethernet and FW800 - all ports available on early 2011 MBPs. TB1 should carry some power. I don't have my 2011 MBP any more, but I'm near certain that I was able to run a thunderbolt capable seagate external 2.5" hard drive without providing additional power. I also had a Kanex TB-> USB3.0 adapter, and I could swear it was able to power a USB 2.5" external also. http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/124485/can-a-thunderbolt-cable-transmit-power http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/124485/can-a-thunde...
      - manarth 10y ago
        > TB2/mDP can't carry power > > TB1 should carry some power. > > I was able to run a thunderbolt capable seagate external 2.5" hard drive (all this with the caveat of "I am not a physicist, but…") All data is essentially energy/power, right? Isn't all communication, a change in energy state? Therefore, all data is essentially a transfer of energy/power. Even the older standards - serial, firewire, USB 1, USB 2, USB 3, etc - carried some power, although (in general), a fairly small amount. I've used external USB-2 drives without a power source, except that provided by the USB-2 cable. The maximum power-draw of a USB device is documented in the standards, but generally, USB 2 is permitted to draw 500mA, at 5V: 2.5W. The power of TB2/mDP wasn't limited by the plug, but rather by the specifications of the standard/protocol. USB-C is intended to provide significantly more power. All USB Type-C cables should support 60W. High-power cables should support 100W. The older standards can (just about) provide enough power to spin a hard-disk, but the newer standards can power and charge a laptop.
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dave_sullivan 10y ago

"Steve never would have backed down, remove more ports!" is how that product meeting will go.

supster 10y ago
"The future is wireless!"
- FireBeyond 10y ago
  That was actually Apple's summation when it came to issues like "why not support metered connections and data use limiting?" - that they didn't feel that is a compromise they should have to make.
slantyyz 10y ago
The thing that bugs me about the argument for USB-C only on the new MBPs is that the early 2011 MBPs came out while Steve Jobs was alive. That year was the first appearance of the Thunderbolt port on a Macbook Pro. You could have theoretically removed every legacy port outside of the MagSafe port and only had a bunch of TB ports to handle the I/O of peripherals. Yet Apple left the USB, FW800 (on the 15/17, maybe the 13 too) and SD reader instead of making people buy dongles to make up for the slack.
- jsjohnst 10y ago
  Jobs took medical leave January 17th, 2011.
  - slantyyz 10y ago
    Sure but the MBPs came out in March 2011, so the design decisions very likely happened in 2010.
    - jsjohnst 10y ago
      This is a pointless debate, but I'm sure he had other priorities at that time.
- 010a 10y ago
  There wouldn't have been any auxiliary advantages to switching to full TB2. TB2/mDP can't carry power. It was physically a much larger port, which means they couldn't scale down the size of the machine. And, ultimately, mDP is a much less useful port than the universally standard USB-C.
  - slantyyz 10y ago
    For the sake of argument, in 2011 we'd be talking about TB1. TB1/mdp is larger than USB-C - in 2011 terms though, it'd be considered small. The mdp port is smaller than regular USB, ethernet and FW800 - all ports available on early 2011 MBPs. TB1 should carry some power. I don't have my 2011 MBP any more, but I'm near certain that I was able to run a thunderbolt capable seagate external 2.5" hard drive without providing additional power. I also had a Kanex TB-> USB3.0 adapter, and I could swear it was able to power a USB 2.5" external also. http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/124485/can-a-thunderbolt-cable-transmit-power http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/124485/can-a-thunde...
    - manarth 10y ago
      > TB2/mDP can't carry power > > TB1 should carry some power. > > I was able to run a thunderbolt capable seagate external 2.5" hard drive (all this with the caveat of "I am not a physicist, but…") All data is essentially energy/power, right? Isn't all communication, a change in energy state? Therefore, all data is essentially a transfer of energy/power. Even the older standards - serial, firewire, USB 1, USB 2, USB 3, etc - carried some power, although (in general), a fairly small amount. I've used external USB-2 drives without a power source, except that provided by the USB-2 cable. The maximum power-draw of a USB device is documented in the standards, but generally, USB 2 is permitted to draw 500mA, at 5V: 2.5W. The power of TB2/mDP wasn't limited by the plug, but rather by the specifications of the standard/protocol. USB-C is intended to provide significantly more power. All USB Type-C cables should support 60W. High-power cables should support 100W. The older standards can (just about) provide enough power to spin a hard-disk, but the newer standards can power and charge a laptop.
      - 10y ago