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Firefox on Linux, I had to disable uBlockOrigin to see anything at all. It was a blank page, although ViewSource showed a large body of html and content. This

by a3n 10y ago

Firefox on Linux, I had to disable uBlockOrigin to see anything at all. It was a blank page, although ViewSource showed a large body of html and content. This doesn't appear to be a commercial site at all. Weird that an ad blocker would be in conflict with it. Also: I was able to read it with no problem with lynx, a text browser, after scrolling wwaaayyyy down to get to the article. Why don't designers (or whoever's responsible for this decision) put the content physically first, and the cruft last, in html? You can obviously arrange what gets displayed first in CSS/javascript. It would make life easier for text viewing people and their tools.

CaptSpify 10y ago
Websites should fail like escalators, not elevators. If your JS isn't working properly, the site should default to just dumping the text. I'll be OK dealing with the consequences of bad formatting. /rant
- Nadya 10y ago
  >Websites should fail like escalators, not elevators. I like this analogy and will be stealing it for future use. It's for this reason alone my site is plain text with few images and few styles. Time to see how my site does in a CLI browser like Lynx or eLinks. :)
  - CaptSpify 10y ago
    > I like this analogy and will be stealing it for future use. Heh, I stole it from someone on here. I purposely built my site to work with minimal unnecessary components (JS, CSS, etc), and that makes it "just work" with things like Lynx. As it turns out, making sites simple also make them more compatible!
    - a3n 10y ago
      > making sites simple also make them more compatible! For some reason (probably that I recently ran across it), this reminds me of: "designing the system so that the manual will be as short as possible minimizes learning effort." - Mike Lesk, as quoted in Expert C Programming, Van der Linden. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Lesk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Lesk
  - pvg 10y ago
    It sort of ignores the fact that escalators also fail by ripping people apart, maiming or killing them. I'll take the occasional broken back button and crappy contrast.
    - Nadya 10y ago
      Operation failure - not structure failure. If an elevator fails to operate - you can't get anywhere. If an escalator fails to operate - you can use them as stairs.
      - pvg 10y ago
        An escalator shredding someone is not a structural failure. Anyway, it wasn't meant all that seriously - just that a quip about failure modes has failed to consider the failure modes.

by a3n 10y ago

CaptSpify 10y ago

Websites should fail like escalators, not elevators. If your JS isn't working properly, the site should default to just dumping the text. I'll be OK dealing with the consequences of bad formatting. /rant

Nadya 10y ago
>Websites should fail like escalators, not elevators. I like this analogy and will be stealing it for future use. It's for this reason alone my site is plain text with few images and few styles. Time to see how my site does in a CLI browser like Lynx or eLinks. :)
- CaptSpify 10y ago
  > I like this analogy and will be stealing it for future use. Heh, I stole it from someone on here. I purposely built my site to work with minimal unnecessary components (JS, CSS, etc), and that makes it "just work" with things like Lynx. As it turns out, making sites simple also make them more compatible!
  - a3n 10y ago
    > making sites simple also make them more compatible! For some reason (probably that I recently ran across it), this reminds me of: "designing the system so that the manual will be as short as possible minimizes learning effort." - Mike Lesk, as quoted in Expert C Programming, Van der Linden. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Lesk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Lesk
- pvg 10y ago
  It sort of ignores the fact that escalators also fail by ripping people apart, maiming or killing them. I'll take the occasional broken back button and crappy contrast.
  - Nadya 10y ago
    Operation failure - not structure failure. If an elevator fails to operate - you can't get anywhere. If an escalator fails to operate - you can use them as stairs.
    - pvg 10y ago
      An escalator shredding someone is not a structural failure. Anyway, it wasn't meant all that seriously - just that a quip about failure modes has failed to consider the failure modes.