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Wow. This is sick. Rape has nothing to do with sex or marriage, and everything to do with consent. "Rape" occurs whenever there is no consent. Yes, you can

by realo 10y ago

Wow. This is sick. Rape has nothing to do with sex or marriage, and everything to do with consent. "Rape" occurs whenever there is no consent. Yes, you can have marital rape. Obviously. If there was no consent, then it is rape and it is illegal ( at least in civilized countries ). Whether the raped person is married or not has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT whatsoever. No consent, then it is rape, and the perpetrator, if caught, will be punished. NOT the raped person, obviously. The rapist. Sick world.

didgeoridoo 10y ago
You realize parent is simply describing the rape laws prevalent in parts of the Middle East and North Africa, including Dubai? Not literally endorsing them?
- realo 10y ago
  Well... parent's post starts as a question, and then proceeds with some seemingly authoritative descriptions. It has no quotation marks and, as written, can not really be interpreted in the way you mention. Given the actual text in the post, your interpretation of the parent's true intentions could be as biased as mine... :)
  - pja 10y ago
    Those authoritative descriptions are exactly the criteria for a rape prosecution in Dubai IIRC. Which I suspect is the parent commentator’s point.
  - miles 10y ago
    Given the poster's other comment in this discussion[1], I think we can agree that a charitable reading is justified. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13244642 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13244642
- apta 10y ago
  Described them incorrectly nonetheless.
didgeoridoo 10y ago
(Can't go any deeper on the thread, so responding here instead): I would respectfully suggest that you are being misled by your outrage into a deeply uncharitable interpretation of parent's language. > By 'rape' do you mean she had sex outside a legitimate marriage [which in much MENA law are equivalent acts]? If so, [by the laws of Dubai] she is guilty [in a purely legalistic sense] of prostitution or adultery or illicit sex. There is of course no such thing as marital rape [in the law books of Dubai]. For rape to be proven there must be multiple adult male witnesses who will testify [...I'm not sure how this sentence could be made any clearer]. The penalty for 'lying' [scare quotes emphasize that this is a perspective parent does not personally hold] about being raped is a year in jail. And the penalty for abortion is death [this is also not a matter of opinion, but is actually what happens to women in many MENA countries].

by realo 10y ago

didgeoridoo 10y ago

You realize parent is simply describing the rape laws prevalent in parts of the Middle East and North Africa, including Dubai? Not literally endorsing them?

realo 10y ago
Well... parent's post starts as a question, and then proceeds with some seemingly authoritative descriptions. It has no quotation marks and, as written, can not really be interpreted in the way you mention. Given the actual text in the post, your interpretation of the parent's true intentions could be as biased as mine... :)
- pja 10y ago
  Those authoritative descriptions are exactly the criteria for a rape prosecution in Dubai IIRC. Which I suspect is the parent commentator’s point.
- miles 10y ago
  Given the poster's other comment in this discussion[1], I think we can agree that a charitable reading is justified. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13244642 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13244642
apta 10y ago
Described them incorrectly nonetheless.

didgeoridoo 10y ago

(Can't go any deeper on the thread, so responding here instead): I would respectfully suggest that you are being misled by your outrage into a deeply uncharitable interpretation of parent's language. > By 'rape' do you mean she had sex outside a legitimate marriage [which in much MENA law are equivalent acts]? If so, [by the laws of Dubai] she is guilty [in a purely legalistic sense] of prostitution or adultery or illicit sex. There is of course no such thing as marital rape [in the law books of Dubai]. For rape to be proven there must be multiple adult male witnesses who will testify [...I'm not sure how this sentence could be made any clearer]. The penalty for 'lying' [scare quotes emphasize that this is a perspective parent does not personally hold] about being raped is a year in jail. And the penalty for abortion is death [this is also not a matter of opinion, but is actually what happens to women in many MENA countries].