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> The study found that grades and achievement-test results were markedly better predictors of adult success than raw IQ scores. That might seem surprising -- af

by wolfgke 10y ago

> The study found that grades and achievement-test results were markedly better predictors of adult success than raw IQ scores. That might seem surprising -- after all, don’t they all measure the same thing? Not quite. Grades reflect not just intelligence but also what Heckman calls “non-cognitive skills,” such as perseverance, good study habits and the ability to collaborate [emphasis by me] -- in other words, conscientiousness. I would consider myself as quite conscientious - but working together with people who have less of this trait always ends/ended in a tragedy. So I would rather assume that there are also reasons for the hypothesis that conscientiousness rather hinders your ability to collaborate. > University of Pennsylvania psychologist Angela Duckworth found that IQ scores also reflected test-takers’ motivation and effort. Diligent, motivated kids will work harder to answer tough questions than equally intelligent but lazier ones. When I was at school I took multiple IQ tests (I don't know what their exact scores were, but they were really high). At that time I found the problems in the IQ test really exciting. A few years ago I had to solve some "logic puzzles" (what image in a 3x3 or 4x4 box with one missing fits by the hidden rules). 15 years ago I would have considered them as really easy (though "formally" they were not). I would say that since I finished studying mathematics, I find these puzzles much harder. Did studying mathematics make me worse in logic? Surely not (quite the opposite). Did studying mathematics make me worse in solving "logic puzzles" in IQ tests? I'm very sure it did.

lgessler 10y ago
> but working together with people who have less of this trait always ends/ended in a tragedy. If by that you mean you were then unable to collaborate with them, perhaps you have less of this than you imagined?
- wolfgke 10y ago
  > If by that you mean you were then unable to collaborate with them, perhaps you have less of this than you imagined? I am not an English native speaker, so perhaps I misunderstand some subtleties that exist in the English language, but not in the German translation of the word "conscientiousness". The dictionary translates "conscientiousness" to German "Gewissenhaftigkeit" and "Pflichtbewusstsein". I tend to work hard - thus I am conscientious. But I also expect other people to do so - so I don't tolerate loafing on my behalf; again a trait of "conscientiousness", but exactly what leads to difficulties working together with other people who are less conscientious.

by wolfgke 10y ago

lgessler 10y ago

> but working together with people who have less of this trait always ends/ended in a tragedy. If by that you mean you were then unable to collaborate with them, perhaps you have less of this than you imagined?

wolfgke 10y ago
> If by that you mean you were then unable to collaborate with them, perhaps you have less of this than you imagined? I am not an English native speaker, so perhaps I misunderstand some subtleties that exist in the English language, but not in the German translation of the word "conscientiousness". The dictionary translates "conscientiousness" to German "Gewissenhaftigkeit" and "Pflichtbewusstsein". I tend to work hard - thus I am conscientious. But I also expect other people to do so - so I don't tolerate loafing on my behalf; again a trait of "conscientiousness", but exactly what leads to difficulties working together with other people who are less conscientious.