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And they also do shit like this: http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/crime/maid-arrested-for-giving-birth-to-illegitimate-baby-1.1947750 http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/c

And they also do shit like this: http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/crime/maid-arrested-for-giving-birth-to-illegitimate-baby-1.1947750 http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/crime/maid-arrested-for-giving-...

spraak 10y ago
How sad for the baby and mother :( and anyone there who is affected by laws like this. What happens if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant?
- rl3 10y ago
  >What happens if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant? Probably made an example of just the same, like the rest of the slave class there. It really miffs me that UAE receives all this Western patronage. In a just world they'd be embargoed into the ground until they adopted decent human rights practices.
  - s_kilk 10y ago
    Maybe western governments find their odious record on human rights aspirational, rather than repulsive?
    - user837387 10y ago
      The west doesn't give a fuck. They say they do but it is not true. Most of us are just a bunch of hypocrites. Some people do have principles but a big portion does not. Just look at who all the evangelicals voted for in the U.S. presidential election. They voted for [1]You Know Who even after he admitted that he liked to grab em by the billy bush. Now every-time I hear them talk about Jesus I remember who they voted for and smile. They are not fooling me twice. [1] Last time I mentioned his name I got down-voted to oblivion. Lets see what happens this time. :)
      - chillingeffect 10y ago
        I've been seeking just such a power-attenuating alias for a few days now. I find Youknowwho a great candidate.
      - Taek 10y ago
        You can't simplify an election vote to that degree. A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of all of their behavior. Obama won his first election on a platform of change. It's pretty clear that the citizenship wants something different, and Trump offered that much more strongly than Clinton. Two of the most important issues for me are surveillance and imperialism. And as bad as Trump is for both, my understanding is that Clinton would have been worse. And I'd rather vote for someone uncouth than someone who is going to be using my tax money to spy on me and to bomb other countries. You are free to have different priorities, you are free to care more about other issues, but please acknowledge that the election is more complex than "they voted for a guy who likes to 'grab em by the billy bush'"
        John23832 10y ago
        I'm sorry, but if you don't think the "political strongman" that is Donald Trump isn't going to take the overarching (and illegal) domestic spying program (that was created by Bush and expanded under Obama) and abuse it to its full potential, then you clearly have not listened to the man you apparently voted for. I won't even address the world's history with egomaniacs and military power.
        rm_-rf_slash 10y ago
        Trump literally said he would "bomb the shit out of [ISIS]." You don't have to take my word for it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aWejiXvd-P8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aWejiXvd-P8 He also has requested lists of employees at state agencies who have worked on climate change and gender equality. I really don't know where you're getting this image of him from.
      - ybrah 10y ago
        Still salty.
- angry_octet 10y ago
  By 'rape' do you mean she had sex outside a legitimate marriage? If so, she is guilty of prostitution or adultery or illicit sex. There is of course no such thing as marital rape. For rape to be proven there must be multiple adult male witnesses who will testify. The penalty for 'lying' about being raped is a year in jail. And the penalty for abortion is death.
  - realo 10y ago
    Wow. This is sick. Rape has nothing to do with sex or marriage, and everything to do with consent. "Rape" occurs whenever there is no consent. Yes, you can have marital rape. Obviously. If there was no consent, then it is rape and it is illegal ( at least in civilized countries ). Whether the raped person is married or not has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT whatsoever. No consent, then it is rape, and the perpetrator, if caught, will be punished. NOT the raped person, obviously. The rapist. Sick world.
    - didgeoridoo 10y ago
      You realize parent is simply describing the rape laws prevalent in parts of the Middle East and North Africa, including Dubai? Not literally endorsing them?
      - realo 10y ago
        Well... parent's post starts as a question, and then proceeds with some seemingly authoritative descriptions. It has no quotation marks and, as written, can not really be interpreted in the way you mention. Given the actual text in the post, your interpretation of the parent's true intentions could be as biased as mine... :)
        pja 10y ago
        Those authoritative descriptions are exactly the criteria for a rape prosecution in Dubai IIRC. Which I suspect is the parent commentator’s point.
        10y ago
- parthdesai 10y ago
  If a women is raped, a woman needs 4 (someone can correct me on exact number) witnesses to verify that she was raped. Otherwise woman just gets charged with adultery when she goes to complain that she was raped.
XJOKOLAT 10y ago
Awful. But don't pretend the rest of the world is a paragon of virtue. We need to progress in all parts of the world. So, instead of pointing fingers, I was curious about your thoughts on Dubai's potential Crime Prediction Software.
- miles 10y ago
  "don't pretend the rest of the world is a paragon of virtue" The rest of the world needs to be aware of just how bad the situation is in UAE: Rape Victims Are Being Jailed Under Extramarital Sex Laws in the UAE https://news.vice.com/article/rape-victims-are-being-jailed-under-extramarital-sex-laws-in-the-uae https://news.vice.com/article/rape-victims-are-being-jailed-... UAE imprisoning rape victims under extramarital sex laws – investigation https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/26/hundreds-of-women-prosecuted-for-extramarital-sex-in-uae-finds-bbc https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/26/hundreds-of-wo... 'They Destroyed Me': French Teen's Rape Case Exposes Dubai's Dark Side http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3932740 http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3932740 The vanished: the Filipino domestic workers who disappear behind closed doors https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/oct/24/the-vanished-filipino-domestic-workers-working-abroad https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/oct/24/t... (Links via TorgnyLagman's reddit comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/5jr48x/unmarried_maid_arrested_for_giving_birth_to/dbiz85f/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/5jr48x/unmarried... )
  - throwaway_374 10y ago
    Oh you mean like this? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/20/idaho-football-coat-hanger-rape-teammate-john-rk-howard https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/20/idaho-footba... There's a lot you won't find on Breitbart or the Daily Stormer.
    - miles 10y ago
      That is a tragic miscarriage of justice; thank you for sharing it. You will note however, that the victim was not jailed for the "crime" of having been sexually assaulted. (Funnily enough, I am a Guardian Member https://membership.theguardian.com https://membership.theguardian.com and have never visited the sites you mention.)
lsh 10y ago
"A 30-year-old Ethiopian woman was arrested in Al Qasimi Hospital on Thursday after she confessed that her newborn baby is illegitimate and she is an illegal maid, an official at Sharjah Police told Gulf News on Saturday The police said the hospital should have informed them immediately. “They should not accept such cases of unmarried pregnant women,” police said." barbarians. the Irish pull the same shit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/9679840/Pregnant-woman-dies-in-Ireland-after-being-denied-an-abortion.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/967...

And they also do shit like this: http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/crime/maid-arrested-for-giving-birth-to-illegitimate-baby-1.1947750 http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/crime/maid-arrested-for-giving-...

spraak 10y ago

How sad for the baby and mother :( and anyone there who is affected by laws like this. What happens if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant?

rl3 10y ago
>What happens if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant? Probably made an example of just the same, like the rest of the slave class there. It really miffs me that UAE receives all this Western patronage. In a just world they'd be embargoed into the ground until they adopted decent human rights practices.
- s_kilk 10y ago
  Maybe western governments find their odious record on human rights aspirational, rather than repulsive?
  - user837387 10y ago
    The west doesn't give a fuck. They say they do but it is not true. Most of us are just a bunch of hypocrites. Some people do have principles but a big portion does not. Just look at who all the evangelicals voted for in the U.S. presidential election. They voted for [1]You Know Who even after he admitted that he liked to grab em by the billy bush. Now every-time I hear them talk about Jesus I remember who they voted for and smile. They are not fooling me twice. [1] Last time I mentioned his name I got down-voted to oblivion. Lets see what happens this time. :)
    - chillingeffect 10y ago
      I've been seeking just such a power-attenuating alias for a few days now. I find Youknowwho a great candidate.
    - Taek 10y ago
      You can't simplify an election vote to that degree. A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of all of their behavior. Obama won his first election on a platform of change. It's pretty clear that the citizenship wants something different, and Trump offered that much more strongly than Clinton. Two of the most important issues for me are surveillance and imperialism. And as bad as Trump is for both, my understanding is that Clinton would have been worse. And I'd rather vote for someone uncouth than someone who is going to be using my tax money to spy on me and to bomb other countries. You are free to have different priorities, you are free to care more about other issues, but please acknowledge that the election is more complex than "they voted for a guy who likes to 'grab em by the billy bush'"
      - John23832 10y ago
        I'm sorry, but if you don't think the "political strongman" that is Donald Trump isn't going to take the overarching (and illegal) domestic spying program (that was created by Bush and expanded under Obama) and abuse it to its full potential, then you clearly have not listened to the man you apparently voted for. I won't even address the world's history with egomaniacs and military power.
      - rm_-rf_slash 10y ago
        Trump literally said he would "bomb the shit out of [ISIS]." You don't have to take my word for it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aWejiXvd-P8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aWejiXvd-P8 He also has requested lists of employees at state agencies who have worked on climate change and gender equality. I really don't know where you're getting this image of him from.
    - ybrah 10y ago
      Still salty.
angry_octet 10y ago
By 'rape' do you mean she had sex outside a legitimate marriage? If so, she is guilty of prostitution or adultery or illicit sex. There is of course no such thing as marital rape. For rape to be proven there must be multiple adult male witnesses who will testify. The penalty for 'lying' about being raped is a year in jail. And the penalty for abortion is death.
- realo 10y ago
  Wow. This is sick. Rape has nothing to do with sex or marriage, and everything to do with consent. "Rape" occurs whenever there is no consent. Yes, you can have marital rape. Obviously. If there was no consent, then it is rape and it is illegal ( at least in civilized countries ). Whether the raped person is married or not has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT whatsoever. No consent, then it is rape, and the perpetrator, if caught, will be punished. NOT the raped person, obviously. The rapist. Sick world.
  - didgeoridoo 10y ago
    You realize parent is simply describing the rape laws prevalent in parts of the Middle East and North Africa, including Dubai? Not literally endorsing them?
    - realo 10y ago
      Well... parent's post starts as a question, and then proceeds with some seemingly authoritative descriptions. It has no quotation marks and, as written, can not really be interpreted in the way you mention. Given the actual text in the post, your interpretation of the parent's true intentions could be as biased as mine... :)
      - pja 10y ago
        Those authoritative descriptions are exactly the criteria for a rape prosecution in Dubai IIRC. Which I suspect is the parent commentator’s point.
      - 10y ago
parthdesai 10y ago
If a women is raped, a woman needs 4 (someone can correct me on exact number) witnesses to verify that she was raped. Otherwise woman just gets charged with adultery when she goes to complain that she was raped.

XJOKOLAT 10y ago

Awful. But don't pretend the rest of the world is a paragon of virtue. We need to progress in all parts of the world. So, instead of pointing fingers, I was curious about your thoughts on Dubai's potential Crime Prediction Software.

miles 10y ago
"don't pretend the rest of the world is a paragon of virtue" The rest of the world needs to be aware of just how bad the situation is in UAE: Rape Victims Are Being Jailed Under Extramarital Sex Laws in the UAE https://news.vice.com/article/rape-victims-are-being-jailed-under-extramarital-sex-laws-in-the-uae https://news.vice.com/article/rape-victims-are-being-jailed-... UAE imprisoning rape victims under extramarital sex laws – investigation https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/26/hundreds-of-women-prosecuted-for-extramarital-sex-in-uae-finds-bbc https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/26/hundreds-of-wo... 'They Destroyed Me': French Teen's Rape Case Exposes Dubai's Dark Side http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3932740 http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3932740 The vanished: the Filipino domestic workers who disappear behind closed doors https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/oct/24/the-vanished-filipino-domestic-workers-working-abroad https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/oct/24/t... (Links via TorgnyLagman's reddit comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/5jr48x/unmarried_maid_arrested_for_giving_birth_to/dbiz85f/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/5jr48x/unmarried... )
- throwaway_374 10y ago
  Oh you mean like this? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/20/idaho-football-coat-hanger-rape-teammate-john-rk-howard https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/20/idaho-footba... There's a lot you won't find on Breitbart or the Daily Stormer.
  - miles 10y ago
    That is a tragic miscarriage of justice; thank you for sharing it. You will note however, that the victim was not jailed for the "crime" of having been sexually assaulted. (Funnily enough, I am a Guardian Member https://membership.theguardian.com https://membership.theguardian.com and have never visited the sites you mention.)

lsh 10y ago

"A 30-year-old Ethiopian woman was arrested in Al Qasimi Hospital on Thursday after she confessed that her newborn baby is illegitimate and she is an illegal maid, an official at Sharjah Police told Gulf News on Saturday The police said the hospital should have informed them immediately. “They should not accept such cases of unmarried pregnant women,” police said." barbarians. the Irish pull the same shit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/9679840/Pregnant-woman-dies-in-Ireland-after-being-denied-an-abortion.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/967...