5 ms·

Organizing for labor rights looks an awful lot like crime to the capitalist. Especially the capitalist holding their employees' passports hostage while they per

Organizing for labor rights looks an awful lot like crime to the capitalist. Especially the capitalist holding their employees' passports hostage while they perform a modern form of indentured slavery. [0] Please don't contribute to software that promotes and sustains this practice, resist in any way you can. 0. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/the-slaves-of-dubai https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/the-slaves-of-dubai

KON_Air 10y ago
Dubai is light years away from understanding, let alone practising, capitalism. And no, unless you are talking about contemporary Comedy Imperialism with Crony Capitalism sauce on top of it, one of Capitalisms core principles is respecting all sorts of capital beyond monetary ones. Ya'know I'm just saying, things like abolishing slavery and competing for and trying to create quality workforce... stuff nobody cares about when it comes to capitalism for last few decades, which were supposed to lead into socialism if it functioned well.
- omegaworks 10y ago
  I probably went too far in commingling the power of the state and the primary benefactors of its economic system. Some citizens then use this state-force to avoid providing foreign workers with even the most basic rights. This commingling of state power and economic power just reminded me of the early days of labor struggle in America. [0] 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_Strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_Strike
Senji 10y ago
So, what you're saying is. People shouldn't have voted for Clinton? Seeing as we're resisting in any way we can.
titomc 10y ago
US is no better if you want to speak about indentured servitude, that is H1B. https://medium.com/@seeminglyquiet/modern-day-slavery-in-america-the-h1b-visa-800be3a3df54#.kx0kwvkhb https://medium.com/@seeminglyquiet/modern-day-slavery-in-ame...
- whyenot 10y ago
  The article doesn't back up your claim. People in the US on H1B visas don't have their passport taken away and are prevented from leaving. They aren't arrested and imprisoned when they are gang raped. They aren't forced to live in shanty towns with limited facilities like running water. They aren't working 12 hours shifts 6 days a week. They aren't earning $580 a month (the $70k a year the article complains about is at or above the median wage in the bay area). Here in the US we also don't have laws on the books punishing homosexuality with imprisonment and death.
  - titomc 10y ago
    What backups your claim ? The same online articles ? Have you had first hand experience of the same ? I have lived in both countries and have experienced personally what does it take to live as an H1B worker as well as in Dubai on a work permit visa. Most of the western media articles that you read are very biased and westerners seems kind of jealous of oil rich countries developing at a faster pace than theirs. Western media reports the incidents in an exaggerated manner when it comes to middle east nations. If women are not allowed to drive a car in Saudi Arabia, Nor are H1B dependents (H4) spouses allowed to work in the US. They are not allowed to have a SSN or a bank account. So what makes US any different ? Isn't just slavery in another form towards the migrant workers no matter in which country they work ?
    - omegaworks 10y ago
      They differ in their degree of rapaciousness. The formation of a second-tier working permit system disadvantages both citizen labor and the permitted workers themselves. Slavery involves forced bondage and lack of choice. I agree with you that there is a disadvantage, but you can't just slap the label on any system. H1B laborers make median wage and can come and go at their leisure. >seems kind of jealous of oil rich countries developing at a faster pace than theirs Fascism can sure look pretty from the outside.

KON_Air 10y ago

Dubai is light years away from understanding, let alone practising, capitalism. And no, unless you are talking about contemporary Comedy Imperialism with Crony Capitalism sauce on top of it, one of Capitalisms core principles is respecting all sorts of capital beyond monetary ones. Ya'know I'm just saying, things like abolishing slavery and competing for and trying to create quality workforce... stuff nobody cares about when it comes to capitalism for last few decades, which were supposed to lead into socialism if it functioned well.

omegaworks 10y ago
I probably went too far in commingling the power of the state and the primary benefactors of its economic system. Some citizens then use this state-force to avoid providing foreign workers with even the most basic rights. This commingling of state power and economic power just reminded me of the early days of labor struggle in America. [0] 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_Strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_Strike

Senji 10y ago

So, what you're saying is. People shouldn't have voted for Clinton? Seeing as we're resisting in any way we can.

titomc 10y ago

US is no better if you want to speak about indentured servitude, that is H1B. https://medium.com/@seeminglyquiet/modern-day-slavery-in-america-the-h1b-visa-800be3a3df54#.kx0kwvkhb https://medium.com/@seeminglyquiet/modern-day-slavery-in-ame...

whyenot 10y ago
The article doesn't back up your claim. People in the US on H1B visas don't have their passport taken away and are prevented from leaving. They aren't arrested and imprisoned when they are gang raped. They aren't forced to live in shanty towns with limited facilities like running water. They aren't working 12 hours shifts 6 days a week. They aren't earning $580 a month (the $70k a year the article complains about is at or above the median wage in the bay area). Here in the US we also don't have laws on the books punishing homosexuality with imprisonment and death.
- titomc 10y ago
  What backups your claim ? The same online articles ? Have you had first hand experience of the same ? I have lived in both countries and have experienced personally what does it take to live as an H1B worker as well as in Dubai on a work permit visa. Most of the western media articles that you read are very biased and westerners seems kind of jealous of oil rich countries developing at a faster pace than theirs. Western media reports the incidents in an exaggerated manner when it comes to middle east nations. If women are not allowed to drive a car in Saudi Arabia, Nor are H1B dependents (H4) spouses allowed to work in the US. They are not allowed to have a SSN or a bank account. So what makes US any different ? Isn't just slavery in another form towards the migrant workers no matter in which country they work ?
  - omegaworks 10y ago
    They differ in their degree of rapaciousness. The formation of a second-tier working permit system disadvantages both citizen labor and the permitted workers themselves. Slavery involves forced bondage and lack of choice. I agree with you that there is a disadvantage, but you can't just slap the label on any system. H1B laborers make median wage and can come and go at their leisure. >seems kind of jealous of oil rich countries developing at a faster pace than theirs Fascism can sure look pretty from the outside.