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Metallica singer leaves Bay Area because of 'elitist' attitude

23 points by outericky 10y ago

Clubber 10y ago
I loved Metallica until the whole Napster thing. Who am I kidding, their music is still great for hardcore heads down coding. Nine Inch Nails too.
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- xyzzy123 10y ago
  If you or your employer would be totally cool with giving away the stuff you make money off or were funded to do, sweet as. What do you commercially work on btw? Can I have a copy? Got a link?
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  - Clubber 10y ago
    It's more how it was done. It was watching Metallica who made their money selling rebellion and raw emotion turn into litigious corporatists. It was a real generation clash. Image is everything.
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    - xyzzy123 10y ago
      Well I guess you or your employer will just roll over like like chumps then when a commercial entity pirates or "liberates" whatever it is that you produce.
      - caminante 10y ago
        I disagree with how your comments were greyed v. those of others.
fixxer 10y ago
Lol. I would pay for a video of him driving through SF with a deer on the bumper. I get looks every season and I'm in Illinois.
- dwyer 10y ago
  How does one secure a deer to their bumper anyway? I figured a better place would be the roof or the bed of a truck. A Google image search for "deer on the bumper" only turns up roadkill. I'm beginning to think either these quotes are fake or James Hetfield doesn't actually hunt.
  - fixxer 10y ago
    "Deer on the bumper" is a common saying for "attached to car for transport". I'm sure he has it in the back of a truck. Edit: James hunts. Well known. Don't be silly. http://www.thatsnonsense.com/images/giles2.png http://www.thatsnonsense.com/images/giles2.png
    - hdx 10y ago
      Another thing he said in the podcast is that the man in that picture is not even him :P
      - fixxer 10y ago
        Lol, I was wondering that myself.
  - tomhoward 10y ago
    > I'm beginning to think either these quotes are fake or James Hetfield doesn't actually hunt. You can watch/listen to him speaking the quotes (and talking in depth about his hunting and farming life) on this week's Joe Rogan Experience podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O6QPTawR14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O6QPTawR14 http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/james-hetfield http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/james-hetfield
radd9er 10y ago
So in order to get away from elitists, he moves to VAIL hahah.
- Animats 10y ago
  Where "the singer is in the process of developing four houses on his 40 acres of property."
- fixxer 10y ago
  Given he has been a longtime libertarian/GOP, he probably is using elitists as a euphemism for liberals. And, he isn't wrong about Vail in that sense.
xrd 10y ago
I'm shocked Fox News was able to unearth something this newsworthy!
Clubber 10y ago
What are you a record company shill or something?
- xyzzy123 10y ago
  No, I'm a person who creates IP in exhange for money. I dislike the concept as much as the next person but it seems hypocritical to consider code one kind of thing while considering music another kind of thing. You either accept the license or you don't. There is an aspect to metal which is about making sure you look after yourself and taking care of your own interests, in the face of people who want to justify coming and taking your stuff. I think this is the deeper message than blurb about fans.
  - Clubber 10y ago
    I never said I disagreed with their claims, I said I disagreed with the way Metallica handled it. It's the first approximation of the Streisand effect that I can recall. But I do disagree with the constant extension of copyright duration, which is a legal monopoly originally granted for 14 years optionally renewable for another 14. Now it's life of the author plus 70 years. This is of course mostly done for intrenched interests that can afford to lobby congress for their benefit and the detriment to society as a whole. As I'm sure you are aware, the concept of copyright is to grant temporary legal monopoly to incentivize and reward creation but to ultimately benefit the public by releasing it to public domain after 28 years. Now it can be 100+ years. All the benefit of monopoly, but no meaningful benefit to the public. If copyright laws were as they were originally intended, all Metallica from their founding to ...Justice would be public domain now. Finally, anything copyrighted after 1978 will probably never be public domain in our lifetimes. How is that beneficial to society? Monopolies are bad, especially life long ones granted by the government. Furthermore, copyrights for software are very weak. I can clone Excel all day long as long as I don't copy their code. Software patents were designed as a copyright of sorts for software ideas, but look at what a disaster that turned into. So technically, as soon as you or your company releases a product, I can probably clone it to my heart's content, unless you have a patent that will hold up. Why are you bringing up 15 year old talking points? It just goes to show much much Metallica is married to the idea of copyright rather than their music, again to their net detriment.

23 points by outericky 10y ago

I loved Metallica until the whole Napster thing. Who am I kidding, their music is still great for hardcore heads down coding. Nine Inch Nails too.

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xyzzy123 10y ago
If you or your employer would be totally cool with giving away the stuff you make money off or were funded to do, sweet as. What do you commercially work on btw? Can I have a copy? Got a link?
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- Clubber 10y ago
  It's more how it was done. It was watching Metallica who made their money selling rebellion and raw emotion turn into litigious corporatists. It was a real generation clash. Image is everything.
  - deleted 10y ago
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  - xyzzy123 10y ago
    Well I guess you or your employer will just roll over like like chumps then when a commercial entity pirates or "liberates" whatever it is that you produce.
    - caminante 10y ago
      I disagree with how your comments were greyed v. those of others.

fixxer 10y ago

Lol. I would pay for a video of him driving through SF with a deer on the bumper. I get looks every season and I'm in Illinois.

dwyer 10y ago
How does one secure a deer to their bumper anyway? I figured a better place would be the roof or the bed of a truck. A Google image search for "deer on the bumper" only turns up roadkill. I'm beginning to think either these quotes are fake or James Hetfield doesn't actually hunt.
- fixxer 10y ago
  "Deer on the bumper" is a common saying for "attached to car for transport". I'm sure he has it in the back of a truck. Edit: James hunts. Well known. Don't be silly. http://www.thatsnonsense.com/images/giles2.png http://www.thatsnonsense.com/images/giles2.png
  - hdx 10y ago
    Another thing he said in the podcast is that the man in that picture is not even him :P
    - fixxer 10y ago
      Lol, I was wondering that myself.
- tomhoward 10y ago
  > I'm beginning to think either these quotes are fake or James Hetfield doesn't actually hunt. You can watch/listen to him speaking the quotes (and talking in depth about his hunting and farming life) on this week's Joe Rogan Experience podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O6QPTawR14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O6QPTawR14 http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/james-hetfield http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/james-hetfield

radd9er 10y ago

So in order to get away from elitists, he moves to VAIL hahah.

Animats 10y ago
Where "the singer is in the process of developing four houses on his 40 acres of property."
fixxer 10y ago
Given he has been a longtime libertarian/GOP, he probably is using elitists as a euphemism for liberals. And, he isn't wrong about Vail in that sense.

xrd 10y ago

I'm shocked Fox News was able to unearth something this newsworthy!

Clubber 10y ago

What are you a record company shill or something?

xyzzy123 10y ago
No, I'm a person who creates IP in exhange for money. I dislike the concept as much as the next person but it seems hypocritical to consider code one kind of thing while considering music another kind of thing. You either accept the license or you don't. There is an aspect to metal which is about making sure you look after yourself and taking care of your own interests, in the face of people who want to justify coming and taking your stuff. I think this is the deeper message than blurb about fans.
- Clubber 10y ago
  I never said I disagreed with their claims, I said I disagreed with the way Metallica handled it. It's the first approximation of the Streisand effect that I can recall. But I do disagree with the constant extension of copyright duration, which is a legal monopoly originally granted for 14 years optionally renewable for another 14. Now it's life of the author plus 70 years. This is of course mostly done for intrenched interests that can afford to lobby congress for their benefit and the detriment to society as a whole. As I'm sure you are aware, the concept of copyright is to grant temporary legal monopoly to incentivize and reward creation but to ultimately benefit the public by releasing it to public domain after 28 years. Now it can be 100+ years. All the benefit of monopoly, but no meaningful benefit to the public. If copyright laws were as they were originally intended, all Metallica from their founding to ...Justice would be public domain now. Finally, anything copyrighted after 1978 will probably never be public domain in our lifetimes. How is that beneficial to society? Monopolies are bad, especially life long ones granted by the government. Furthermore, copyrights for software are very weak. I can clone Excel all day long as long as I don't copy their code. Software patents were designed as a copyright of sorts for software ideas, but look at what a disaster that turned into. So technically, as soon as you or your company releases a product, I can probably clone it to my heart's content, unless you have a patent that will hold up. Why are you bringing up 15 year old talking points? It just goes to show much much Metallica is married to the idea of copyright rather than their music, again to their net detriment.