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Oh, and that makes it better? Do you have any idea how many people are in nursing homes? My wife happens to be a doctor and she happens to have a lot of exper

Oh, and that makes it better? Do you have any idea how many people are in nursing homes? My wife happens to be a doctor and she happens to have a lot of experience with nursing homes. How about nationwide? Also, could you provide a link to verify what you are claiming will start on January 1st? Please don't try to put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig. The personal estate grab by the government is without precedent. And, for what? The care people get at the kinds of plans that shove you into Medicaid isn't anything to boast about. Obamacare is a disaster. Thankfully the new administration seems poised to tackle this head-on. I hope they do a good job while still providing for a reasonable path to healthcare for those who have financial limitations. It is society's obligation to help them. Yet the way this happens can't take a form that makes it insanely worst for the rest of us and, at the same time, has the government make a grab for people's estates. This is just wrong whether it happens in one state or all of them.

TheCoelacanth 10y ago
I'm all for getting rid of Medicaid estate recovery, but blaming it on Obamacare is just wrong. It has been around since 1993. Here http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/06/27/californias-seizure-of-medi-cal-patients-assets-is-limited-by-new-law/ http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/06/27/californias-seizure-of... is info about the change to California's laws on estate recovery. They now recover the minimum allowed by federal law.
- rebootthesystem 10y ago
  You are missing a very important point. Obamacare is a complete farce on many points. First, it claims million of people who didn't have insurance are now insured. The truth is they were shoved into Medicaid. Second, this is NOT health insurance! This is you incurring a debt with the State and one they are obligated by law to collect on by grabbing your estate. Third, NOBODY is forewarned when they sign on the dotted line that the family home and their entire estate is at risk of being appropriated by the government and that nothing whatsoever might remain for the kids to inherit. Given healthcare costs it isn't too much of a stretch to conclude that getting sick with anything that requires hospitalization, surgery or extended care will result in a bill so large that most people's estates will be depleted before heirs can see a dime of inheritance. To me this is sick underhanded government robbery. If a private enterprise swindled people into contracts with such consequences people would end-up in jail. Yet in government you can do this, you can lie, cheat and steal from people and suffer no consequences whatsoever. This is way past wrong.
  - TheCoelacanth 10y ago
    You are very wrong on the first two points. First, millions of people who didn't have health insurance now do. Not Medicaid, private insurance. There are also millions of new Medicaid recipients. Second, most of the Medicaid coverage is not debt. Only coverage of one specific thing is debt; all the other coverage is not taken from the estate.

TheCoelacanth 10y ago

I'm all for getting rid of Medicaid estate recovery, but blaming it on Obamacare is just wrong. It has been around since 1993. Here http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/06/27/californias-seizure-of-medi-cal-patients-assets-is-limited-by-new-law/ http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/06/27/californias-seizure-of... is info about the change to California's laws on estate recovery. They now recover the minimum allowed by federal law.

rebootthesystem 10y ago
You are missing a very important point. Obamacare is a complete farce on many points. First, it claims million of people who didn't have insurance are now insured. The truth is they were shoved into Medicaid. Second, this is NOT health insurance! This is you incurring a debt with the State and one they are obligated by law to collect on by grabbing your estate. Third, NOBODY is forewarned when they sign on the dotted line that the family home and their entire estate is at risk of being appropriated by the government and that nothing whatsoever might remain for the kids to inherit. Given healthcare costs it isn't too much of a stretch to conclude that getting sick with anything that requires hospitalization, surgery or extended care will result in a bill so large that most people's estates will be depleted before heirs can see a dime of inheritance. To me this is sick underhanded government robbery. If a private enterprise swindled people into contracts with such consequences people would end-up in jail. Yet in government you can do this, you can lie, cheat and steal from people and suffer no consequences whatsoever. This is way past wrong.
- TheCoelacanth 10y ago
  You are very wrong on the first two points. First, millions of people who didn't have health insurance now do. Not Medicaid, private insurance. There are also millions of new Medicaid recipients. Second, most of the Medicaid coverage is not debt. Only coverage of one specific thing is debt; all the other coverage is not taken from the estate.