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I don't believe you. There's no way you're coming even close to local disk performance with an off-prem solution. Feel free to prove me wrong but I don't thin

I don't believe you. There's no way you're coming even close to local disk performance with an off-prem solution. Feel free to prove me wrong but I don't think that this is a reasonable solution for backing storage for a database.

colanderman 10y ago
Check out this report if you don't believe me: http://www.clearskydata.com/clearsky-takes-primary-storage-to-the-cloud http://www.clearskydata.com/clearsky-takes-primary-storage-t... Several members of our team were core developers of EqualLogic (pre-Dell buyout). We have significant investment from Akamai. I promise you this is not snake oil.
- chrissnell 10y ago
  Check out this report? A link to a marketing data collection form? Come on. Link me to the PDF. Let's see the technical details of exactly how your solution is built out.
  - colanderman 10y ago
    Technical details are here [1], though if entering a name and e-mail in a form is off-putting to you, I'm not sure anything could convince you to take the step of switching enterprise storage vendors. Aside, I can't express how validating it is how much you (and others, given the downvotes) disbelieve me. It makes me quite proud to have helped develop a service considered so impossible that it is written off as black magic. It does make it hard to market the damn thing though ;) [1] http://www.clearskydata.com/clearsky-global-storage-network-architecture-white-paper http://www.clearskydata.com/clearsky-global-storage-network-...
    - jlgaddis 10y ago
      Wow. First, this is a technical audience. Plenty (most?) of us couldn't give a shit about what marketing says. I believe about half of what comes out of the mouths of sales/marketing folks -- for good reason. We don't care what Gardner or some firm you paid to write up a report says. Personally, I have a real dislike of sales/marketing folks and I will avoid them at all costs... so, no, I don't want to give you my name or e-mail address. I don't want your people calling me, interrupting real work. I don't want to view your webinar. I want to look at the technical details -- the facts -- and decide for myself and then, quite possibly, completely forget I ever heard about your company and go about my day. Last, don't fool yourself. The downvotes aren't "validation" -- at all -- but, hey, go on living in your fantasy world. If it really was as awesome as you seem to think it is, it wouldn't be hard to market. To the contrary, the damn thing would sell itself and you wouldn't even need a marketing department.
      - colanderman 10y ago
        Your loss buddy.
brazzledazzle 10y ago
Well it seems clear to me that they can only provide that level of performance for blocks already in their onsite cache. Presumably they're using a novel compression/de-duplication scheme and maybe prioritizing blocks using historical and/or predictive analysis to cache the right data at the right time but you can only transfer data as fast as you can transfer it. I'm guessing a full export of all of your data (that isn't cached) is going to go as fast as the line/compression allows.
- colanderman 10y ago
  Bandwidth is much less a problem for OLTP workloads than latency is. (If all you care about is bandwidth, S3 is your friend.) With ClearSky, even for workloads that don't fit in the edge cache (which we believe are few), you'll still see single-digit millisecond random read (and write) latencies. This is made possible by our points of presence (PoPs) located in each metro area we serve. These PoPs house the lion's share of data in a private cloud, and are connected to each customer site with private lines with sub-millisecond latency. In other words, the speed of light is very fast when it goes in a straight line with nothing in its way ;) While we do have some secret sauce in the data pipeline, it is because we own the network to the customer that we can provide the performance we do. (Fancy PDF with a few more details here: http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/445689/2015_assets/ClearSky-Data-Sheet.pdf http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/445689/2015_assets/ClearSky-Da...)

colanderman 10y ago

Check out this report if you don't believe me: http://www.clearskydata.com/clearsky-takes-primary-storage-to-the-cloud http://www.clearskydata.com/clearsky-takes-primary-storage-t... Several members of our team were core developers of EqualLogic (pre-Dell buyout). We have significant investment from Akamai. I promise you this is not snake oil.

chrissnell 10y ago
Check out this report? A link to a marketing data collection form? Come on. Link me to the PDF. Let's see the technical details of exactly how your solution is built out.
- colanderman 10y ago
  Technical details are here [1], though if entering a name and e-mail in a form is off-putting to you, I'm not sure anything could convince you to take the step of switching enterprise storage vendors. Aside, I can't express how validating it is how much you (and others, given the downvotes) disbelieve me. It makes me quite proud to have helped develop a service considered so impossible that it is written off as black magic. It does make it hard to market the damn thing though ;) [1] http://www.clearskydata.com/clearsky-global-storage-network-architecture-white-paper http://www.clearskydata.com/clearsky-global-storage-network-...
  - jlgaddis 10y ago
    Wow. First, this is a technical audience. Plenty (most?) of us couldn't give a shit about what marketing says. I believe about half of what comes out of the mouths of sales/marketing folks -- for good reason. We don't care what Gardner or some firm you paid to write up a report says. Personally, I have a real dislike of sales/marketing folks and I will avoid them at all costs... so, no, I don't want to give you my name or e-mail address. I don't want your people calling me, interrupting real work. I don't want to view your webinar. I want to look at the technical details -- the facts -- and decide for myself and then, quite possibly, completely forget I ever heard about your company and go about my day. Last, don't fool yourself. The downvotes aren't "validation" -- at all -- but, hey, go on living in your fantasy world. If it really was as awesome as you seem to think it is, it wouldn't be hard to market. To the contrary, the damn thing would sell itself and you wouldn't even need a marketing department.
    - colanderman 10y ago
      Your loss buddy.

brazzledazzle 10y ago

Well it seems clear to me that they can only provide that level of performance for blocks already in their onsite cache. Presumably they're using a novel compression/de-duplication scheme and maybe prioritizing blocks using historical and/or predictive analysis to cache the right data at the right time but you can only transfer data as fast as you can transfer it. I'm guessing a full export of all of your data (that isn't cached) is going to go as fast as the line/compression allows.

colanderman 10y ago
Bandwidth is much less a problem for OLTP workloads than latency is. (If all you care about is bandwidth, S3 is your friend.) With ClearSky, even for workloads that don't fit in the edge cache (which we believe are few), you'll still see single-digit millisecond random read (and write) latencies. This is made possible by our points of presence (PoPs) located in each metro area we serve. These PoPs house the lion's share of data in a private cloud, and are connected to each customer site with private lines with sub-millisecond latency. In other words, the speed of light is very fast when it goes in a straight line with nothing in its way ;) While we do have some secret sauce in the data pipeline, it is because we own the network to the customer that we can provide the performance we do. (Fancy PDF with a few more details here: http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/445689/2015_assets/ClearSky-Data-Sheet.pdf http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/445689/2015_assets/ClearSky-Da...)