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No, you were supposed to read the whole thing.

ewzimm 10y ago
The government took the position that Apple should unlock the phone. Trump said he agreed. Which part did I miss? I'm honestly curious.
- ajamesm 10y ago
  the "Apple should unlock the phone" part
  - ewzimm 10y ago
    "Apple Inc. has received and objected to or challenged at least 11 orders" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI–Apple_encryption_dispute https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI–Apple_encryption_dispute I'm not sure what I'm missing here. The position of the government was pretty clear that "Apple should unlock the phone," until the FBI did it independently. Personally, I agree with Apple's position. Security requires trust, and Apple showed good reason to trust them, enough that I went out and bought an iPhone. But I have no idea how Trump agreeing with the courts and the FBI shows some kind of radical new threat.
  - toss1941 10y ago
    That Apple saga was quite an interesting view into American politics. If you ask me, Trump and a lot of the government is out of touch with Privacy rights. The opposite battle is taking place with free speech in Canada[0], with the government wanting to curtail free speech in the name of preferred pronouns referencing gender. In both cases, the Government wants to harm free speech, but I think many people who are against it in Apple's case would be for it in Canada's. I could be wrong though. [0] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695
    - ajamesm 10y ago
      It's an interesting parallel you draw. In one case, Canadian students played pranks on an out-of-touch professor, and in the other, the incoming presidential administration in America is taking actions that have historically preceded mass deportation and genocide, both in the sense of "necessary" and "sufficient". Not to say the two aren't directly comparable -- though the queer kids are real dark horses vis-a-vis establishing and normalizing concentration camps. Perhaps the lesson to draw is that, really, we're all authoritarians in some degree. Some of us want our uncle to stop saying the N-word at the Thanksgiving dinner table, some of us don't identify with our assigned gender and lash out at the opposition with responses of disproportional magnitude, and some of us want to classify people by religion and detain them. America truly is a melting pot.
- burkaman 10y ago
  "Who do they think they are?" and "I think security overall — we have to open it up" are the more concerning parts of this particular quote.
  - ewzimm 10y ago
    But he used that in advocating a "common sense" approach to security. It's nothing but a vague non-statement that government needs to make reasonable decisions. Your response is going to depend entirely on your opinion of Trump and his administration's judgment. If you support it, you'll support the statement, but if you oppose it, that statement changes nothing, because you always knew the administration was going to use their own version of "common sense" to make decisions. So your reaction says nothing about Trump and just hints at your existing biases, which is fine, but no argument for concern.
    - ajamesm 10y ago
      "We have to open it" means "we have to make apple turn over decrypted communication." The next point in this argument involves a sentence diagram and a dictionary. Do we have to go there?
      - freehunter 10y ago
        And his opponent had said even worse things, and committed even worse actions against the practice of information security. If hackers are scared of Trump, they should be downright grateful that Clinton didn't win. And I say this as a member of the info sec community who most certainly did not vote for Trump. There are very few politicians in the US that could be considered "good" for hackers, present administration included. Trump hasn't said or done anything that our current government hasn't already said or done.
        ajamesm 10y ago
        I guess we could have a long conversation about whether it's Clinton or Trump who would have ultimately been worse in terms of national infosec implications, but that conclusion is far away from "Trump is not bad for infosec, actually" especially when you look back further than the Obama administration and remember that the US government used to classify cryptography as literal munitions.
- rando444 10y ago
  the fbi is a branch of government, not "the government" and yes, they did get a judge to side with them, but to side with such a ruling because "the government" is a disservice to justice.. as there is much more to the rule of law then blind obedience to a single ruling.

The government took the position that Apple should unlock the phone. Trump said he agreed. Which part did I miss? I'm honestly curious.

ajamesm 10y ago
the "Apple should unlock the phone" part
- ewzimm 10y ago
  "Apple Inc. has received and objected to or challenged at least 11 orders" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI–Apple_encryption_dispute https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI–Apple_encryption_dispute I'm not sure what I'm missing here. The position of the government was pretty clear that "Apple should unlock the phone," until the FBI did it independently. Personally, I agree with Apple's position. Security requires trust, and Apple showed good reason to trust them, enough that I went out and bought an iPhone. But I have no idea how Trump agreeing with the courts and the FBI shows some kind of radical new threat.
- toss1941 10y ago
  That Apple saga was quite an interesting view into American politics. If you ask me, Trump and a lot of the government is out of touch with Privacy rights. The opposite battle is taking place with free speech in Canada[0], with the government wanting to curtail free speech in the name of preferred pronouns referencing gender. In both cases, the Government wants to harm free speech, but I think many people who are against it in Apple's case would be for it in Canada's. I could be wrong though. [0] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695
  - ajamesm 10y ago
    It's an interesting parallel you draw. In one case, Canadian students played pranks on an out-of-touch professor, and in the other, the incoming presidential administration in America is taking actions that have historically preceded mass deportation and genocide, both in the sense of "necessary" and "sufficient". Not to say the two aren't directly comparable -- though the queer kids are real dark horses vis-a-vis establishing and normalizing concentration camps. Perhaps the lesson to draw is that, really, we're all authoritarians in some degree. Some of us want our uncle to stop saying the N-word at the Thanksgiving dinner table, some of us don't identify with our assigned gender and lash out at the opposition with responses of disproportional magnitude, and some of us want to classify people by religion and detain them. America truly is a melting pot.
burkaman 10y ago
"Who do they think they are?" and "I think security overall — we have to open it up" are the more concerning parts of this particular quote.
- ewzimm 10y ago
  But he used that in advocating a "common sense" approach to security. It's nothing but a vague non-statement that government needs to make reasonable decisions. Your response is going to depend entirely on your opinion of Trump and his administration's judgment. If you support it, you'll support the statement, but if you oppose it, that statement changes nothing, because you always knew the administration was going to use their own version of "common sense" to make decisions. So your reaction says nothing about Trump and just hints at your existing biases, which is fine, but no argument for concern.
  - ajamesm 10y ago
    "We have to open it" means "we have to make apple turn over decrypted communication." The next point in this argument involves a sentence diagram and a dictionary. Do we have to go there?
    - freehunter 10y ago
      And his opponent had said even worse things, and committed even worse actions against the practice of information security. If hackers are scared of Trump, they should be downright grateful that Clinton didn't win. And I say this as a member of the info sec community who most certainly did not vote for Trump. There are very few politicians in the US that could be considered "good" for hackers, present administration included. Trump hasn't said or done anything that our current government hasn't already said or done.
      - ajamesm 10y ago
        I guess we could have a long conversation about whether it's Clinton or Trump who would have ultimately been worse in terms of national infosec implications, but that conclusion is far away from "Trump is not bad for infosec, actually" especially when you look back further than the Obama administration and remember that the US government used to classify cryptography as literal munitions.
rando444 10y ago
the fbi is a branch of government, not "the government" and yes, they did get a judge to side with them, but to side with such a ruling because "the government" is a disservice to justice.. as there is much more to the rule of law then blind obedience to a single ruling.