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HP Updates MacBook-Imitating Envy Range
- jteo 17y agoThere is no such thing as an original idea. (And yes, I use Apple products)
- mogston 17y agoGood on them...now PC owners can own a nice looking laptop too! (I'm a MacBook Pro user btw)
- arch_hunter 17y agoI'm sorry, but I do not see how that is a copy of a MacBook. I have seen a lot of laptops that look more similar to that than that looks to a MacBook.
- nailer 17y agoApple seems to have been the first to use a unibody metal design specifically for a laptop. Since Apple did it first, HP could be considered to have copied by some people. Then again Porsche Design did the same thing for mobile phones years before Apple or any other consumer electronics company did - my personal opinion is that Porsche did most of the innovation in this area.
- jacquesm 17y ago> Since Apple did it first Errm, not really, there was at least the Panasonic toughbook and lots of other ruggedized laptops before it.
- nailer 17y agoI always thought the Toughbook (or at least the ones I've seen) was a multi-panel ruggedized laptop, rather than single chunk of metal.
- jacquesm 17y agoIt's been a long time since I last saw one, I don't even know if they're still being made, but I recall the case being milled out of a chunk of magnesium alloy. Maybe I'm wrong though, as I said it's long ago.
- mbenjaminsmith 17y agoThey're made out of magnesium and are multi-part. The trick is they make the internals somewhat waterproof (at least water passes through quickly) and suspend the entire mobo on rubber shocks.
- thmz 17y agoThe first thing I noticed: it looks like a HP laptop. So I agree with you.
- cakesy 17y agoReally? The first thing I though was that it was a cheap chinese copy of a macbook, just as they copy the iPhone. It is not as sleek as a macbook. Lets see if they get the track pad right. One of the greatest features of the macs is the huge, multi-touch track pad, better than the mouse for a lot of things.
- markkanof 17y agoIt's interesting to see the different ways that people respond to design. When I look at that laptop I immediately think "MacBook". Then as I look at it more some of the details don't seem quite right and it becomes obvious that it is not a MacBook, but probably a copy of one. Other's that I have talked to about this though don't see anything but the faintest resemblance to a MacBook. I suppose it's all a matter of perspective.
- barredo 17y agoWell, it certainly looks more like a MBP than previous version. Aside of that: «Imitation is the sincerest of flattery»
- yread 17y agoWell if they during the copying lowered the price and added USB3, VGA and HDMI out and choice of beefier CPUs and GPUs, I don't see how anybody can complain :)
- skorgu 17y agoIt's HP. They could ship me a free one and I'd ebay it to buy a Lenovo or a Mac.
- ovi256 17y agoWell, actually the entry-level 14" version is just as expensive as an entry-level Macbook Pro.
- nkohari 17y agoI didn't think the new MBPs had USB3?
- nkohari 17y agoReally not sure why I'm getting downvoted, because they don't have USB3... http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro?mco=OTY2ODExMA http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macboo...
- semanticist 17y agoNo, but these HPs do. You misread the post you were replying to.
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- eightbitraptor 17y agoI don't really care how many PC manufacturers try and copy the MacBook Pro, but why has no so far managed to make a decent unibody PC laptop? IMO that is the real desirable feature of a MacBook.
- fishercs 17y agothe adamo is unibody.. if you want good looks and ruggedness though go with a thinkpad hands down.
- sz 17y agoI suspect it has to do with differentiation. By trying to make a product too similar to an Apple product a manufacturer would open the door wide open to valid criticism about being an Apple knockoff company. By doing something different, they have claim to their own identity. But since (almost) nobody can beat Apple at design, that difference manifests itself more in getting more performance per doller (=cheap construction) or lots of products with special features (e.g. gaming machines). Also it takes time to develop mass production capacity for something with a very different manufacturing process.
- SandB0x 17y agoAnd Apple copied their keyboard design from the Vaio and the world keeps turning.
- goodside 17y agoWhich model? Did Vaio later revert back something more conventional? As of 2007 Apple was using the same layout they have now and Vaio was using a fairly mundane PC laptop configuration. Side-by-side: http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/19478.jpg http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/19478.jpg Or is there some feature in particular that was copied that I'm not seeing?
- nailer 17y agoViao was using the case-between-the-keys style in the early 2000s.
- yread 17y agoSony was using it in 2004 in this amazing notebook http://www.trustedreviews.com/laptops/review/2004/06/03/Sony-VAIO-VGN-X505VP-Ultra-Slim-Notebook/p1 http://www.trustedreviews.com/laptops/review/2004/06/03/Sony...
- barredo 17y agoReally? I'm interested in this because I've always thought it was the other way around.
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- lallysingh 17y agoSony built the first portables for Apple.
- manish 17y agoWith a sticker saying "Built for Windows 7"
- rossj 17y agoMeh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU I like Apple, but not everything they do is original either.
- studioprisoner 17y agoI love how the range is called Envy as well. Fitting, isn't it?
- cturner 17y agoWill all of the hardware features function properly in a unix (or unix-like) OS? That's the apple laptop feature I'd like to see their competitors copy.
- tfh 17y agoVery few companies make the effort to provide linux drivers for their laptops. That made me buy a mac in the first place. It would be nice if some distro were backed up by a hardware company and feature a "bootcamp-like" easy way to install windows afterwards...
- rbanffy 17y ago> Very few companies make the effort to provide linux drivers for their laptops I am sure the threat of dropping out of some "incentive" program that ensures lower prices for Windows OEM licenses is enough to prevent many manufacturers from providing adequate Linux support. As for the bootcamp thingie, I've seen Windows ruin my Linux boots more times than I can count. I am not sure it is considered a bug or a feature. Back in the Vista beta process (I was a beta tester) I filed a bug complaining about having to rebuild my lilo boot after installing Vista, but, AFAIK, it was never fixed. I must assume, therefore, it's considered a feature.
- mquander 17y agoIt was shaky for a while, but yes. I run Ubuntu 10.04 on an Envy 15 and it works well. The two caveats are that kernel 2.6.33+ is necessary for patches related to the BIOS and ACPI, and a patch to synaptics drivers is necessary if you want the touchpad to work properly.
- cturner 17y agoThat's better than I've seen. What I'd be after to complete that is some sort of confidence that I'd be able to upgrade and have things continue to work. I've had the experience a lot of going to great effort to get something to work.. and then doing a kernel upgrade and having stuff break again.
- l0nwlf 17y agoI feel Alienware too is a desirable laptop albeit its domain is quite narrow [and yes the HP laptop looks a clone to me, physically at least]
- epi0Bauqu 17y agoFWIW, I have one and love it. SSD, high res, long battery, looks nice.
- AngryParsley 17y agoI'm confused. Engadget's review of the current Envy 15 says it lacks an optical drive and has a battery life of less than 2 hours. http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/ http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/10/hp-envy-15-review/ It's a similar story for the Envy 13 ( http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/hp-envy-13-review/ http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/hp-envy-13-review/ ). 2 hour battery life (estimated 5 hours with the huge battery). No optical drive. Terrible trackpad.
- epi0Bauqu 17y agoI have the Envy 13t. It comes with an extended battery that fits over the whole bottom of the computer. There's a pic in that engagdet article (http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/10/hp-envy-13-review-04.jpg http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/10/hp-env...). This makes the battery life for me more like 8-10hr and you can't even tell the battery is on there, i.e. its flush. No optical drive but I literally never use CDs so I don't care. The trackpad doesn't bother me that much. I'd say it isn't the greatest, but its multi-touch and works fine. It's also quiet and fast. Not sure how much of that (if any) is due to the SSD or my other particular specs. • Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo SL9600(2.13GHz, 6MB L2 Cache)w/512MB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 4330 Graphics • 3GB DDR3 System Memory (1 Dimm)
- shoover 17y agoIf HP has indeed caught up with Apple on battery life and overall noise, that's the real story here.
- matthijs 17y agoNot sure if this is still the case, but with the hp laptops I own (especially ugly with the small HP mini's) the laptops looks good but they add the HUGE ugly power adapters. With my hp mini the adapter is like 3/4th the size of the laptop itself. It's those details (a pretty big one in this case) that makes Apple products so good. Apple's MagSafe is awesome.
- Tichy 17y agoApple used to have really, really big power adapters, too. The one for my Mac Mini (G4) is enormous. The one for my MacBook is not especially tiny, but it is OK. YMMV.
- semanticist 17y agoThat's only the case for the Mac Mini and the G4 Cube - Apple's portable power adapters of that era are pretty much exactly the same as they are now (excluding the fancy MagSafe connector, of course). I have both a 2004 model iBook (pre-intel) and a brand new 2010 MacBook Pro and the adapters look the same.
- corruption 17y agoI used to be into high end audio, and spent rather large sums acquiring great looking machines. When apple first came out with their brushed metal cases, I assumed that Apple had simply copied luxury audio manufacturers of the day. I still don't know why other computer companies don't try and design beautiful machines that have minimalistic design principles. Here are some earlyish examples I was talking about, but there are plenty more from other companies who I have long since forgotten: http://www.pliniusaudio.nzld.com/photolibrary/photo.asp?id=history_sareference http://www.pliniusaudio.nzld.com/photolibrary/photo.asp?id=h...
- chime 17y agoI thought Apple was inspired by Braun products from the '60s: http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secr...
- babakian 17y agoYes. It is a safe to say that Jonathan Ive has studied the work of Dieter Rams. When it comes to industrial design, Dieter Rams is one of the greats. There is nothing wrong with being inspired by him. It is important to note that this inspiration goes beyond the industrial design of Apple's hardware. For example, it is widely agreed that the iPhone's calculator app is based on the Braun ET66 calculator, designed Rams: http://barryborsboom.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/172_721-rams-iphonecalc.jpg http://barryborsboom.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/172_721-ram...
- jacquesm 17y agoWow, what a shameless rip-off. At a minimum they should credit Rams and Braun for that.
- MWinther 17y agoThe calculator app doesn't look like that now, though, even though it's clearly inspired by it. I believe I have seen that design on the iPhone before, but when I bought my 3G two years ago, I believe the buttons were square and the '='-button was bigger. Did it look like that in the original iPhone?
- Tichy 17y agoIt's a notebook.
- loumf 17y ago""Great artists steal" - Pablo Picasso" - Steve Jobs. It's not the copying that he'd probably find offensive -- it's the screwing it up (hinges and what's up with the keyboard recess)
- TimMontague 17y agoI wish HP would copy Apple's webpage too... It's practically unusable. http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/envy/ http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/envy/
- randallsquared 17y agoWhy'd they wait until now to start copying Apple's design? We're well past the all-metal laptops that were the height of Apple's design prowess. I bought the first model of PB17 purely on design, even though it was only about as fast as an Intel-based laptop I'd had for a year and a half. But after an iteration or two of improvement, they threw that design sensibility away to go with plasticky stuff. ;)
- vondur 17y agoThe old models were horrible. No optical drive on a 15" laptop and the software used for the trackpad was horrible. It looks like they remedied the optical drive issue, I'd have to see if the trackpads work better now.
- joshu 17y agoOut of the last three HPs I have purchased, all have died. Never again.