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There is a difference between proof and evidence. It's important to distinguish the two. Ozy, if you're interested I'd be willing to keep corresponding with yo

by milesf 10y ago

There is a difference between proof and evidence. It's important to distinguish the two. Ozy, if you're interested I'd be willing to keep corresponding with you. Drop me an email at immortal@coderpath.com I'll leave you with an old apocryphal story that I hope drives the point home that matter how much we achieve as human beings, it will never be enough: -------- A scientist approaches God, and says to Him, "Look, God, we don't need you anymore. Nowadays, we can do all sorts of things that used to be considered miraculous. We can transplant organs, giving new life to a dying man, we can cure almost any disease, and we can even clone animals. It won't be long, and we'll be able to clone humans, too. So, I'm sorry, but you are just outdated". God listens patiently to the scientist and says, "I can see that you believe you don't need me, and I understand. However, I love you, and I don't want to see you make a big mistake, so why don't we make sure? I say we should have a man-making contest, just to be sure." The scientist replies, "I'll take that challenge". So, God says, "Ok, let's do it the way I did it in the old days, with Adam and Eve". The scientists says, "No problem", and reaches down to scoop up a handful of dirt. "Whoa, hold on there a minute", God says. "You get your OWN dirt". ----- :)

ozy 10y ago
If you think I misused evidence or proof, or switched them, please show me where and why and what difference it makes. But It would be easier if you engage with the content of the argument. I apply something I call maximum grace, that is, interpret the arguments in the best possible way for the other. I have shown you why I think there is basically no reason to move the needle from 3: people writing down myths. You seem to disagree, but have not commented on Stephens defense. Or for instance what makes you think god is loving and good, seeing how he admits to genocide and cruel and unusual (eternal) punishment. I am really interested in your thoughts here. Why do you think the needle moves up? In the other comment you said "you probably don't believe me, but it's because He lives I can face tomorrow". And I know many people fall back to nihilism if they contemplate the thought god does not exist. I think though in day to day it does not work that way, people cope just fine. But for me, when I think about the christian god, I just replace it with the best of humanity, and the best society has to offer, that we can all try to strife for.
- milesf 10y ago
  Drop me an email (immortal@coderpath.com) and I'll continue this with you :) Although we disagree, I think you've been very civil towards me. I appreciate that. You've made some points that I need to chew on for a bit, which means I don't have a response for you just yet. I'm not fully understanding your points about Stephen, so I need to flesh it out a bit more until I at least get the gist of what you're saying. I prefer an inductive form of learning and reasoning, which takes time and effort. Hacker News is a great way to start conversations, but it's terrible for continuing them (this thread will eventually lock and not permit further comments). Hope to hear from you (and anyone else who is reading this and would like to chat about the top of Maslow's hierarchy (which, by the way, he later criticized his own views and added a 6th's peak. Of course, we being sensible beings, we added a seventh at the very bottom: Wifi :D )) email me immortal@coderpath.com

by milesf 10y ago

ozy 10y ago

If you think I misused evidence or proof, or switched them, please show me where and why and what difference it makes. But It would be easier if you engage with the content of the argument. I apply something I call maximum grace, that is, interpret the arguments in the best possible way for the other. I have shown you why I think there is basically no reason to move the needle from 3: people writing down myths. You seem to disagree, but have not commented on Stephens defense. Or for instance what makes you think god is loving and good, seeing how he admits to genocide and cruel and unusual (eternal) punishment. I am really interested in your thoughts here. Why do you think the needle moves up? In the other comment you said "you probably don't believe me, but it's because He lives I can face tomorrow". And I know many people fall back to nihilism if they contemplate the thought god does not exist. I think though in day to day it does not work that way, people cope just fine. But for me, when I think about the christian god, I just replace it with the best of humanity, and the best society has to offer, that we can all try to strife for.

milesf 10y ago
Drop me an email (immortal@coderpath.com) and I'll continue this with you :) Although we disagree, I think you've been very civil towards me. I appreciate that. You've made some points that I need to chew on for a bit, which means I don't have a response for you just yet. I'm not fully understanding your points about Stephen, so I need to flesh it out a bit more until I at least get the gist of what you're saying. I prefer an inductive form of learning and reasoning, which takes time and effort. Hacker News is a great way to start conversations, but it's terrible for continuing them (this thread will eventually lock and not permit further comments). Hope to hear from you (and anyone else who is reading this and would like to chat about the top of Maslow's hierarchy (which, by the way, he later criticized his own views and added a 6th's peak. Of course, we being sensible beings, we added a seventh at the very bottom: Wifi :D )) email me immortal@coderpath.com