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But the land is all owned already, and not by the people who's jobs are being replaced? And so far automation in farming is focused on large-scale operation, w

by jononor 10y ago

But the land is all owned already, and not by the people who's jobs are being replaced? And so far automation in farming is focused on large-scale operation, with much less good solutions for family -scale.

visarga 10y ago
Economies of scale have been the bread and butter of progress in the last 100 years, but we're entering the age of customization now. Adaptive technologies can work on small scale as well as on large scale. And large scale can still be achieved by coops that provide services for many people at once. People do have capital and resources, it's just spread and divided. What we need is to organize. I give self-replicating factories a higher probability than AGI. We'll probably have a 100% automated stack that can replicate and repair itself, as well as produce everything we need, all based on locally sourced and plentiful materials, before we have human level AI. It will be a manufacturing singularity. We should bootstrap automation in itself, like we bootstrap compilers. Object production would become similar to compilation, from source code to material object. We'd have optimized material compilers. When we have a replicator, anyone can have one. Industry would become like agriculture, if you have the initial seeds, you can plant and then you bootstrap your crop. If you think about self replication, on the whole, industry is a self replicator right now. But we need to make it fully automated, reduce its minimal footprint and make it less reliant on rare materials. There is a need for sustainable, smart materials and open source automation and AI in order to save the population from disenfranchisement. Capital and the means of production should belong to all of us, not just the 1%.
- smallnamespace 10y ago
  Even if everyone has their own replicator, the competition shifts to who controls raw materials, and who controls energy. Fresh water, for example, is a scarce (and becoming scarcer) resource, and it's impossible to farm or live without it.
  - visarga 10y ago
    I agree. That's why capitalists owning automation should pay UBI - because they get to use raw materials.
  - klodolph 10y ago
    Yes, although I'm not convinced that fresh water is going to be such a scarce resource in the future. There are a few "outs" on the horizon—besides changing our diet, the possibilities for desalinization, or things like lab-grown meats, may change our relationship with water. Just as long as population growth slows enough… Agree with the comment about ownership. As technology has improved, more and more power has been going to whoever owns the capital.
    - smallnamespace 10y ago
      Fresh water is not a problem given unlimited energy since desalination works well. The problem is that energy is expensive, and fresh water shortages will be worst in countries that are poor and can't afford these plants.
  - flowersoldier 10y ago
    Whisky is for Drinking. Water is for Fighting. -Mark Twain
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by jononor 10y ago

visarga 10y ago

Economies of scale have been the bread and butter of progress in the last 100 years, but we're entering the age of customization now. Adaptive technologies can work on small scale as well as on large scale. And large scale can still be achieved by coops that provide services for many people at once. People do have capital and resources, it's just spread and divided. What we need is to organize. I give self-replicating factories a higher probability than AGI. We'll probably have a 100% automated stack that can replicate and repair itself, as well as produce everything we need, all based on locally sourced and plentiful materials, before we have human level AI. It will be a manufacturing singularity. We should bootstrap automation in itself, like we bootstrap compilers. Object production would become similar to compilation, from source code to material object. We'd have optimized material compilers. When we have a replicator, anyone can have one. Industry would become like agriculture, if you have the initial seeds, you can plant and then you bootstrap your crop. If you think about self replication, on the whole, industry is a self replicator right now. But we need to make it fully automated, reduce its minimal footprint and make it less reliant on rare materials. There is a need for sustainable, smart materials and open source automation and AI in order to save the population from disenfranchisement. Capital and the means of production should belong to all of us, not just the 1%.

smallnamespace 10y ago
Even if everyone has their own replicator, the competition shifts to who controls raw materials, and who controls energy. Fresh water, for example, is a scarce (and becoming scarcer) resource, and it's impossible to farm or live without it.
- visarga 10y ago
  I agree. That's why capitalists owning automation should pay UBI - because they get to use raw materials.
- klodolph 10y ago
  Yes, although I'm not convinced that fresh water is going to be such a scarce resource in the future. There are a few "outs" on the horizon—besides changing our diet, the possibilities for desalinization, or things like lab-grown meats, may change our relationship with water. Just as long as population growth slows enough… Agree with the comment about ownership. As technology has improved, more and more power has been going to whoever owns the capital.
  - smallnamespace 10y ago
    Fresh water is not a problem given unlimited energy since desalination works well. The problem is that energy is expensive, and fresh water shortages will be worst in countries that are poor and can't afford these plants.
- flowersoldier 10y ago
  Whisky is for Drinking. Water is for Fighting. -Mark Twain
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