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I've heard that in (at least some regions of) Spain, it's perfectly common and acceptable to continue living with their parents well into adulthood. I remember

I've heard that in (at least some regions of) Spain, it's perfectly common and acceptable to continue living with their parents well into adulthood. I remember reading that José María Olazábal (one of the best professional golfers in the 90's, with millions of dollars in earnings) was still living with his parents into his early 40's (though to be fair, he was traveling for half the year on tour). I often think that the "move out from home" pressure is a ploy by the real estate industry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mar%C3%ADa_Olaz%C3%A1bal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mar%C3%ADa_Olaz%C3%A...

niftich 10y ago
Culturally, many contemporary societies in Southern Europe -- including places like Italy's boot, Spain, and Greece -- place a strong emphasis on family and don't subscribe as much to the brand of fiercely self-reliant individualism manifested in America that evolved from the 'protestant work ethic'.
- icebraining 10y ago
  I'd say it's mostly because we're fucking poor. France isn't protestant either, yet they leave the home much earlier. Looking at the map, it seems to correlate pretty strongly with income: http://i.imgur.com/KIPcRbM.png http://i.imgur.com/KIPcRbM.png
- raverbashing 10y ago
  > Italy's boot So are you referring to all of Italy or are you saying this doesn't apply to Sicily (or other islands)?
  - hangsi 10y ago
    Socioeconomic analysis of Italy normally sees a distinction between the wealthier, more industrial Northern half (e.g. cities like Milan) and the poorer, more agricultural, mafia-troubled Southern half (e.g. Naples) normally including Sicily and Sardinia too. A rough line for the split could be about the latitude of Rome. "Italy's boot" here corresponds to this Southern Italy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Italy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Italy http://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/15/world/north-south-divide-in-italy-a-problem-for-europe-too.html http://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/15/world/north-south-divide-i...
    - raverbashing 10y ago
      Thanks, I wasn't familiar with the expression in that context
white-flame 10y ago
The biggest "move out from home" push in the USA was mid-1900s government cold war propaganda, to live as a trendy "Nuclear family" with just parents & their kids. While this was anti-socialist material, given its greater focus on individualism, it was rumored to also be intended to break up powerful family clans, as well as prevent future rise of the same. Before these times, it was a lot more common for extended family to live together.
parennoob 10y ago
In India this is pretty common as well. It makes meals etc. much easier, provides instant babysitters (the grandparents), and so makes it more flexible for a husband/wife pair to work and still have some free time in the evening. Privacy of course suffers, but then again I with multiple kids like a lot of US households have, there isn't that much privacy anyway. ----------------------------------------------------------- > I often think that the "move out from home" pressure is a ploy by the real estate industry. I think it's any commercial entity, right? When you move out of your parents' house, now you collectively have to pay/buy - Extra rent - Extra money for furnishing - Probably more money for transport (could have carpooled with family or neighbors) - More money for groceries (living on your own you will likely waste more groceries) - Extra money for insurance (since it isn't a family pool) etc. So you're right, but possibly underestimating it. There is a lot of vested interest in convincing young people that living with their parents somehow makes them "losers" etc.
- WalterBright 10y ago
  > Privacy of course suffers Sure, but I'd rather be in a house with extended family than with roommates.
- icebraining 10y ago
  I think it's any commercial entity, right? Clearly not. Any money you save by staying at your parent's home will be spent in other commercial entities. Even people who save eventually spend it. Conversely, all that cash going to landlords, grocers, insurance, etc is not being spent on something else.
- pvelagal 10y ago
  In India, it is considered rather disrespectful to leave parents house once a person starts working. This is because, traditionally kids are supposed to take care of parents during their old age.
AtheistOfFail 10y ago
It's actually pretty common in Hispanic countries since you build larger family homes (My home back there had 7 bedrooms, but three generations live there -> grandma, mother, daughters)
ArkyBeagle 10y ago
It is an artifact of the VA mortgage and Levittown. Sears would write you a note on a Crafstman house, but it wasn't for 30 years. Of course you had to own the land. Look at how Harry Truman lived. My uncles all lived at home until they moved, either for military service or because they got married. Age range roughly 1915 to around 1945 or so. People lived in boarding houses if they didn't have a family. My sister has a "boomerang" Millenial; the house is probably 3-4000 sq feet and the "kids suite" upstairs is probably 1200 sq ft. or so.

niftich 10y ago

Culturally, many contemporary societies in Southern Europe -- including places like Italy's boot, Spain, and Greece -- place a strong emphasis on family and don't subscribe as much to the brand of fiercely self-reliant individualism manifested in America that evolved from the 'protestant work ethic'.

icebraining 10y ago
I'd say it's mostly because we're fucking poor. France isn't protestant either, yet they leave the home much earlier. Looking at the map, it seems to correlate pretty strongly with income: http://i.imgur.com/KIPcRbM.png http://i.imgur.com/KIPcRbM.png
raverbashing 10y ago
> Italy's boot So are you referring to all of Italy or are you saying this doesn't apply to Sicily (or other islands)?
- hangsi 10y ago
  Socioeconomic analysis of Italy normally sees a distinction between the wealthier, more industrial Northern half (e.g. cities like Milan) and the poorer, more agricultural, mafia-troubled Southern half (e.g. Naples) normally including Sicily and Sardinia too. A rough line for the split could be about the latitude of Rome. "Italy's boot" here corresponds to this Southern Italy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Italy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Italy http://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/15/world/north-south-divide-in-italy-a-problem-for-europe-too.html http://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/15/world/north-south-divide-i...
  - raverbashing 10y ago
    Thanks, I wasn't familiar with the expression in that context

white-flame 10y ago

The biggest "move out from home" push in the USA was mid-1900s government cold war propaganda, to live as a trendy "Nuclear family" with just parents & their kids. While this was anti-socialist material, given its greater focus on individualism, it was rumored to also be intended to break up powerful family clans, as well as prevent future rise of the same. Before these times, it was a lot more common for extended family to live together.

parennoob 10y ago

In India this is pretty common as well. It makes meals etc. much easier, provides instant babysitters (the grandparents), and so makes it more flexible for a husband/wife pair to work and still have some free time in the evening. Privacy of course suffers, but then again I with multiple kids like a lot of US households have, there isn't that much privacy anyway. ----------------------------------------------------------- > I often think that the "move out from home" pressure is a ploy by the real estate industry. I think it's any commercial entity, right? When you move out of your parents' house, now you collectively have to pay/buy - Extra rent - Extra money for furnishing - Probably more money for transport (could have carpooled with family or neighbors) - More money for groceries (living on your own you will likely waste more groceries) - Extra money for insurance (since it isn't a family pool) etc. So you're right, but possibly underestimating it. There is a lot of vested interest in convincing young people that living with their parents somehow makes them "losers" etc.

WalterBright 10y ago
> Privacy of course suffers Sure, but I'd rather be in a house with extended family than with roommates.
icebraining 10y ago
I think it's any commercial entity, right? Clearly not. Any money you save by staying at your parent's home will be spent in other commercial entities. Even people who save eventually spend it. Conversely, all that cash going to landlords, grocers, insurance, etc is not being spent on something else.
pvelagal 10y ago
In India, it is considered rather disrespectful to leave parents house once a person starts working. This is because, traditionally kids are supposed to take care of parents during their old age.

AtheistOfFail 10y ago

It's actually pretty common in Hispanic countries since you build larger family homes (My home back there had 7 bedrooms, but three generations live there -> grandma, mother, daughters)

ArkyBeagle 10y ago

It is an artifact of the VA mortgage and Levittown. Sears would write you a note on a Crafstman house, but it wasn't for 30 years. Of course you had to own the land. Look at how Harry Truman lived. My uncles all lived at home until they moved, either for military service or because they got married. Age range roughly 1915 to around 1945 or so. People lived in boarding houses if they didn't have a family. My sister has a "boomerang" Millenial; the house is probably 3-4000 sq feet and the "kids suite" upstairs is probably 1200 sq ft. or so.