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That's really funny. I guess before Obamacare we were living in the Dark Ages and nobody was able to receive any form of health care in CA. Please.

TheCoelacanth 10y ago
I never claimed that no one had insurance previously. About 32 million people did. Obamacare added a few million more to that number, hence the new healthcare jobs.
- rebootthesystem 10y ago
  You are looking for justification where it does not exist. California did not need another 200K jobs. Please. We have more than enough bandwidth to handle medical care. The part you might not see is what Obamacare has done and is doing to the medical industry, from providers on up. Beyond the fact that we have personally gotten royally screwed by Obamacare, my wife is a doctor and I see and hear everything that's going on. Only one way to put it: Carnage. Doctors are quitting. Care is horrible or compromised due to forced cost reductions. Some patients are not seen because they are not worth the effort or the doctors are not going to get paid enough, etc. Having more people who can be claimed to have insurance isn't a good metric at all. You have to look at what they have and how much it is costing. Most of people who now have insurance thanks to Obamacare have no clue that they've signed a deal with the devil. What I mean by this is that they have, effectively, signed-over their estate to the government. They are LIABLE for every dollar spent in their care from now until eternity. Yup. Forget about leaving the family home to your kids. If you get sick and need care the government will own your home and your kids might get nothing after you pass. This is because they've been shoved into Medicaid and that means the government has to, by law, recover all costs and this means they got their hooks into your estate. They can even file liens on your home to pay for your care. Bullshit? OK, how about we get the truth from the horse's mouth: https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/eligibility/estate-recovery/index.html https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/eligibility/estate-recover... What do you think about Obamacare now? And how about those bullshit 200K workers? Their salaries surely will be added in some form to the money owed by these poor saps who are shoved into Medicaid and now have "insurance". Obamacare might easily be the largest theft of personal property by a government in the history of humanity. And I don't think I am exaggerating here. I think there are over twenty million people on Medicaid. Every single one of the estates could be in danger of being sold off by the government to pay for medical care. This is truly revolting. Yet all of these Obama/Obamacare supporters are so ignorant of the facts that they actually think he did a good thing for the country and that Obamacare has helped poor people. Unbelievable.
  - TheCoelacanth 10y ago
    For anyone who dies after January 1, California's Medicaid estate recovery only applies to money spent putting you in a nursing home or similar, not for all health care as you stated. There are also more people with new private insurance coverage in CA than new Medicaid recipients, so that part of your rant is also false.
    - rebootthesystem 10y ago
      Oh, and that makes it better? Do you have any idea how many people are in nursing homes? My wife happens to be a doctor and she happens to have a lot of experience with nursing homes. How about nationwide? Also, could you provide a link to verify what you are claiming will start on January 1st? Please don't try to put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig. The personal estate grab by the government is without precedent. And, for what? The care people get at the kinds of plans that shove you into Medicaid isn't anything to boast about. Obamacare is a disaster. Thankfully the new administration seems poised to tackle this head-on. I hope they do a good job while still providing for a reasonable path to healthcare for those who have financial limitations. It is society's obligation to help them. Yet the way this happens can't take a form that makes it insanely worst for the rest of us and, at the same time, has the government make a grab for people's estates. This is just wrong whether it happens in one state or all of them.
      - TheCoelacanth 10y ago
        I'm all for getting rid of Medicaid estate recovery, but blaming it on Obamacare is just wrong. It has been around since 1993. Here http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/06/27/californias-seizure-of-medi-cal-patients-assets-is-limited-by-new-law/ http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/06/27/californias-seizure-of... is info about the change to California's laws on estate recovery. They now recover the minimum allowed by federal law.
        rebootthesystem 10y ago
        You are missing a very important point. Obamacare is a complete farce on many points. First, it claims million of people who didn't have insurance are now insured. The truth is they were shoved into Medicaid. Second, this is NOT health insurance! This is you incurring a debt with the State and one they are obligated by law to collect on by grabbing your estate. Third, NOBODY is forewarned when they sign on the dotted line that the family home and their entire estate is at risk of being appropriated by the government and that nothing whatsoever might remain for the kids to inherit. Given healthcare costs it isn't too much of a stretch to conclude that getting sick with anything that requires hospitalization, surgery or extended care will result in a bill so large that most people's estates will be depleted before heirs can see a dime of inheritance. To me this is sick underhanded government robbery. If a private enterprise swindled people into contracts with such consequences people would end-up in jail. Yet in government you can do this, you can lie, cheat and steal from people and suffer no consequences whatsoever. This is way past wrong.

TheCoelacanth 10y ago

I never claimed that no one had insurance previously. About 32 million people did. Obamacare added a few million more to that number, hence the new healthcare jobs.

rebootthesystem 10y ago
You are looking for justification where it does not exist. California did not need another 200K jobs. Please. We have more than enough bandwidth to handle medical care. The part you might not see is what Obamacare has done and is doing to the medical industry, from providers on up. Beyond the fact that we have personally gotten royally screwed by Obamacare, my wife is a doctor and I see and hear everything that's going on. Only one way to put it: Carnage. Doctors are quitting. Care is horrible or compromised due to forced cost reductions. Some patients are not seen because they are not worth the effort or the doctors are not going to get paid enough, etc. Having more people who can be claimed to have insurance isn't a good metric at all. You have to look at what they have and how much it is costing. Most of people who now have insurance thanks to Obamacare have no clue that they've signed a deal with the devil. What I mean by this is that they have, effectively, signed-over their estate to the government. They are LIABLE for every dollar spent in their care from now until eternity. Yup. Forget about leaving the family home to your kids. If you get sick and need care the government will own your home and your kids might get nothing after you pass. This is because they've been shoved into Medicaid and that means the government has to, by law, recover all costs and this means they got their hooks into your estate. They can even file liens on your home to pay for your care. Bullshit? OK, how about we get the truth from the horse's mouth: https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/eligibility/estate-recovery/index.html https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/eligibility/estate-recover... What do you think about Obamacare now? And how about those bullshit 200K workers? Their salaries surely will be added in some form to the money owed by these poor saps who are shoved into Medicaid and now have "insurance". Obamacare might easily be the largest theft of personal property by a government in the history of humanity. And I don't think I am exaggerating here. I think there are over twenty million people on Medicaid. Every single one of the estates could be in danger of being sold off by the government to pay for medical care. This is truly revolting. Yet all of these Obama/Obamacare supporters are so ignorant of the facts that they actually think he did a good thing for the country and that Obamacare has helped poor people. Unbelievable.
- TheCoelacanth 10y ago
  For anyone who dies after January 1, California's Medicaid estate recovery only applies to money spent putting you in a nursing home or similar, not for all health care as you stated. There are also more people with new private insurance coverage in CA than new Medicaid recipients, so that part of your rant is also false.
  - rebootthesystem 10y ago
    Oh, and that makes it better? Do you have any idea how many people are in nursing homes? My wife happens to be a doctor and she happens to have a lot of experience with nursing homes. How about nationwide? Also, could you provide a link to verify what you are claiming will start on January 1st? Please don't try to put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig. The personal estate grab by the government is without precedent. And, for what? The care people get at the kinds of plans that shove you into Medicaid isn't anything to boast about. Obamacare is a disaster. Thankfully the new administration seems poised to tackle this head-on. I hope they do a good job while still providing for a reasonable path to healthcare for those who have financial limitations. It is society's obligation to help them. Yet the way this happens can't take a form that makes it insanely worst for the rest of us and, at the same time, has the government make a grab for people's estates. This is just wrong whether it happens in one state or all of them.
    - TheCoelacanth 10y ago
      I'm all for getting rid of Medicaid estate recovery, but blaming it on Obamacare is just wrong. It has been around since 1993. Here http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/06/27/californias-seizure-of-medi-cal-patients-assets-is-limited-by-new-law/ http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/06/27/californias-seizure-of... is info about the change to California's laws on estate recovery. They now recover the minimum allowed by federal law.
      - rebootthesystem 10y ago
        You are missing a very important point. Obamacare is a complete farce on many points. First, it claims million of people who didn't have insurance are now insured. The truth is they were shoved into Medicaid. Second, this is NOT health insurance! This is you incurring a debt with the State and one they are obligated by law to collect on by grabbing your estate. Third, NOBODY is forewarned when they sign on the dotted line that the family home and their entire estate is at risk of being appropriated by the government and that nothing whatsoever might remain for the kids to inherit. Given healthcare costs it isn't too much of a stretch to conclude that getting sick with anything that requires hospitalization, surgery or extended care will result in a bill so large that most people's estates will be depleted before heirs can see a dime of inheritance. To me this is sick underhanded government robbery. If a private enterprise swindled people into contracts with such consequences people would end-up in jail. Yet in government you can do this, you can lie, cheat and steal from people and suffer no consequences whatsoever. This is way past wrong.