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"Drop IE9 support for v4 beta?" "fuck it, why not" https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/issues/21387 https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/issues/21387 This isn't ho

by dbond 10y ago

"Drop IE9 support for v4 beta?" "fuck it, why not" https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/issues/21387 https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/issues/21387 This isn't how you should drop support, it might be a good choice but can we at least have some discussion, maybe even an RFC, not just declare it be so within the space of 3 hours and lock the issue... Like this: https://github.com/emberjs/rfcs/pull/45 https://github.com/emberjs/rfcs/pull/45

danielsamuels 10y ago
It was closed because of all the "me too" comments. The PR is here: https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/pull/21389 https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/pull/21389
Freak_NL 10y ago
To be fair that discussion about dropping support for IE9 took place over 18 months ago — that is a long time in browser age. Bootstrap is following in the footsteps of a bunch of other JavaScript libraries and frameworks that dropped IE9 (so all the arguments are pretty much known), and by now IE9 is that much more of a marginal browser that supporting it is in no one's interest. Ember certainly has a very pleasant way of discussing these matters, and for dropping support for IE10 or IE11 that would be a fair way to do it now at the end of 2016, but there's just not much to be gained from a discussion about dropping IE9 support at this point.
- mycall 10y ago
  Don't drop IE11 support until Microsoft Edge usage overtakes the old IEs. Its already on live support.
  - kevin_thibedeau 10y ago
    There's a ton of people on Win7 that will never have Edge.
    - kavok 10y ago
      I imagine the Windows 10 update process cleared out a significant number of Windows 7 installs.
      - erelde 10y ago
        Not in the entreprise space. Which is where Windows got its lead.
Fifer82 10y ago
The argument just seems superfluous. No one cares about ie9, including yourself. That kind of drawn out boring conversation stifles progression for no other reason than to be proper imo.
- ci5er 10y ago
  Yeah, well, that's just your opinion man.
  - truth_sentinell 10y ago
    His and probably the vast majority of web developers (Lets say > 90%)
    - ci5er 10y ago
      If web developer's budgets were as large as their egos and aspirations, I would listen to them...
BHSPitMonkey 10y ago
If IE9 support is part of your project's requirements, you would just use Bootstrap 3 or one of the many alternatives that provide that as a feature. For a "new" framework (as these major revisions essentially are) it shouldn't matter as there are no users/victims (aside from testers).
avita1 10y ago
It's worth noting that nothing on github suggests that the person who made that comment is a contributor/maintainer for Bootstrap.
- chiefalchemist 10y ago
  So all this banter is in response to fake news? Funny.
- tracker1 10y ago
  mdo is one of the creators of bootstrap. I also feel it's probably time to move on from IE < 11, and possibly even then depending on your real needs. Even MS has worked pretty hard to get people off of IE and into Win10+Edge

by dbond 10y ago

danielsamuels 10y ago

It was closed because of all the "me too" comments. The PR is here: https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/pull/21389 https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/pull/21389

Freak_NL 10y ago

To be fair that discussion about dropping support for IE9 took place over 18 months ago — that is a long time in browser age. Bootstrap is following in the footsteps of a bunch of other JavaScript libraries and frameworks that dropped IE9 (so all the arguments are pretty much known), and by now IE9 is that much more of a marginal browser that supporting it is in no one's interest. Ember certainly has a very pleasant way of discussing these matters, and for dropping support for IE10 or IE11 that would be a fair way to do it now at the end of 2016, but there's just not much to be gained from a discussion about dropping IE9 support at this point.

mycall 10y ago
Don't drop IE11 support until Microsoft Edge usage overtakes the old IEs. Its already on live support.
- kevin_thibedeau 10y ago
  There's a ton of people on Win7 that will never have Edge.
  - kavok 10y ago
    I imagine the Windows 10 update process cleared out a significant number of Windows 7 installs.
    - erelde 10y ago
      Not in the entreprise space. Which is where Windows got its lead.

Fifer82 10y ago

The argument just seems superfluous. No one cares about ie9, including yourself. That kind of drawn out boring conversation stifles progression for no other reason than to be proper imo.

ci5er 10y ago
Yeah, well, that's just your opinion man.
- truth_sentinell 10y ago
  His and probably the vast majority of web developers (Lets say > 90%)
  - ci5er 10y ago
    If web developer's budgets were as large as their egos and aspirations, I would listen to them...

BHSPitMonkey 10y ago

If IE9 support is part of your project's requirements, you would just use Bootstrap 3 or one of the many alternatives that provide that as a feature. For a "new" framework (as these major revisions essentially are) it shouldn't matter as there are no users/victims (aside from testers).

avita1 10y ago

It's worth noting that nothing on github suggests that the person who made that comment is a contributor/maintainer for Bootstrap.

chiefalchemist 10y ago
So all this banter is in response to fake news? Funny.
tracker1 10y ago
mdo is one of the creators of bootstrap. I also feel it's probably time to move on from IE < 11, and possibly even then depending on your real needs. Even MS has worked pretty hard to get people off of IE and into Win10+Edge