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> when the reality is that lots of things are broken and don't work out of the box. And finding a fix can be elusive, when often times the answer is "your dist

> when the reality is that lots of things are broken and don't work out of the box. And finding a fix can be elusive, when often times the answer is "your distro sucks, use $OTHER_DISTRO" or "use Google." > Rational actors will react to this by reasonably picking hardware that is known to be well supported. But what about when you pick hardware that is supposedly well supported and you still have problems? Run into that more times than I care to remember.

michaelmrose 10y ago
Then your complaint is much more legitimate but instead of making a linux sucks post report the relevant problem to people who might be able to fix it, consider funding development to improve the relevant software, or roll up your sleeves and lend a hand. Nobody said linux or open source software was perfect.
- Hasknewbie 10y ago
  > but instead of making a linux sucks post report the relevant problem to people who might be able to fix it. Yes, do not inform potential users that they might be taken for a ride, don't mention that 7-years old hardware is not supported, or that Gnome3 doesn't even know how to switch back to the default display. I mean, we wouldn't want to have informed users am I right? You are pretty much making legulere's point: hush hush no criticism in public, and even if it is valid please report it quietly. So I assume you would agree if Apple or Microsoft had a similar attitude? (And no need to mention "yeah but with MS/Apple you paid, therefore...", paying entitles you to tech support, and we're only talking about informing users here.)
  - michaelmrose 10y ago
    You ought to feel like you can speak freely and critique if applicable but beware lest you also be judged and found wanting.
mSparks 10y ago
There are three known potentially problematic areas and they are well documented. apple stuff, wifi cards, laptops and their custom sleep code. aside from apple stuff (who have made it quite clear they believe their users want a totally walled garden and are not interested in compatabilty with the rest of the world), the other two are now rare afaik. so if it happens to you regularily, then yeah, very likely it is nothing more than your distro sucks.

michaelmrose 10y ago

Then your complaint is much more legitimate but instead of making a linux sucks post report the relevant problem to people who might be able to fix it, consider funding development to improve the relevant software, or roll up your sleeves and lend a hand. Nobody said linux or open source software was perfect.

Hasknewbie 10y ago
> but instead of making a linux sucks post report the relevant problem to people who might be able to fix it. Yes, do not inform potential users that they might be taken for a ride, don't mention that 7-years old hardware is not supported, or that Gnome3 doesn't even know how to switch back to the default display. I mean, we wouldn't want to have informed users am I right? You are pretty much making legulere's point: hush hush no criticism in public, and even if it is valid please report it quietly. So I assume you would agree if Apple or Microsoft had a similar attitude? (And no need to mention "yeah but with MS/Apple you paid, therefore...", paying entitles you to tech support, and we're only talking about informing users here.)
- michaelmrose 10y ago
  You ought to feel like you can speak freely and critique if applicable but beware lest you also be judged and found wanting.

mSparks 10y ago

There are three known potentially problematic areas and they are well documented. apple stuff, wifi cards, laptops and their custom sleep code. aside from apple stuff (who have made it quite clear they believe their users want a totally walled garden and are not interested in compatabilty with the rest of the world), the other two are now rare afaik. so if it happens to you regularily, then yeah, very likely it is nothing more than your distro sucks.