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It must be nice. I work in commodities and there are many plants and facilities that still only have access to IE8/9. It was a large struggle to even drop IE6
by nightski 10y ago
It must be nice. I work in commodities and there are many plants and facilities that still only have access to IE8/9. It was a large struggle to even drop IE6/7 with a huge amount of backlash.
- godzillabrennus 10y agoNo wonder infrastructure gets hacked all the time. You'd think they'd at least go to embedded systems instead of using old PC's for these roles.
- intrasight 10y agoI just tell them that anything below IE11 is a violation of corporate security standards and won't be supported.
- nightski 10y agoI am not a direct employee. It's actually the IT departments that push back.
- astrodust 10y agoIt's their company on the line. IE6 is basically a giant security hole. Anyone using it on any system whatsoever is putting themselves at huge risk.
- intrasight 10y agoWhat I did (last year) was to make sure they had at least read https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE-support https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/WindowsForBusiness/End-of-IE.... IT only pushes back because the business users who use old web apps push back. Gotta make sure that IT knows the MSFT no longer has their back and so they need to be more aggressive with the business users and their app vendors.
- gtk40 10y agoBut it depends on the OS being used. Older versions (as old as IE7 ?!) are still supported on some versions of Windows: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/gp/microsoft-internet-explorer/en-us https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/gp/microsoft-internet-ex...
- lomnakkus 10y agoThose are extremely marginal as they're POS systems (+"Thin PC", I guess. I have no idea what that actually is.) EDIT: I mean, I understand if you want to be able to keep using a JS/CSS framework, but it's not really reasonable to ask for upstreams to keep supporting such marginal systems.
- astrodust 10y agoMaybe if you live in a universe where nobody ever takes advantage of known security flaws. I swear there are bank machines in the field still running Windows XP. It's truly astonishing.
- lomnakkus 10y agoI'm not sure what you mean, I think we were discussing upstreams (such as Bootstrap or whatever) supporting old browsers? The old browsers are presumably (according to that page) still getting security updates by Microsoft, so I'm not what you're arguing. (Either way, if the browsers are not getting security updates, that's on Microsoft, not on upstreams.) Can you explain what you mean? EDIT: Hopefully to clarify what I'm puzzled about: How is having to use an old Bootstrap a security issue?
- tim333 10y agoIf you're thinking ATMs it's not such a problem because they are not connected to the internet and if bad guys get physical access it's pretty much game over regardless of the OS.
- EugeneOZ 10y agoThey will ask links to proofs.
- astrodust 10y agoMaybe find a link that crashes their computer through a remote-execution hole in their old, crappy browser.
- dougmccune 10y agoWe sell an enterprise web app to insurance companies and only this month fully dropped support for IE<11 after a year long campaign to reach out to our large IE 8 customers. The official MS drop of support at the beginning of the year was finally the ammunition we needed to make it a reality (by framing it purely as a security risk), but even then it took us a year to be comfortable pulling the trigger. But from someone who knows how difficult it can be: there is hope.
- rhizome 10y agoSend older clients unstyled no-JS HTML.