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If you want my money you have to tell me what I am getting otherwise its just extortion. You could argue that state sell market access (which is perfectly ok) t

If you want my money you have to tell me what I am getting otherwise its just extortion. You could argue that state sell market access (which is perfectly ok) then yes its ok for states to compete. > they pay taxes because we all have to pay taxes to do the things we want to do What others do with their money is not my business. > (provide education for our kids, have a police force to deal with crime, build and maintain bridges and roads, etc.) I would argue that it does not cost that much and the services/goods being discuessed are _extremely_ overpriced. And the price does not just include money but personal freedoms. But ofcourse how would we know that its overpriced. Hence why I suggest compitition between states is good thing and should be encouraged or It might be you who become the next target for majority's whim and then nowhere to go. I am not judging people who want to live under socialism/capitalism/any-ism. I am just saying more choices/compitition is better for everyone. Also read Private Cities [1]. [1] https://fee.org/articles/private-cities-a-path-to-liberty/ https://fee.org/articles/private-cities-a-path-to-liberty/

ebbv 10y ago
Yeah, sorry, Libertarianism is more like a religion than a system of governance. Leaving everything to the "free market" just frees those who already have wealth and power to do whatever they want and shackles the rest of us who's only power at the moment is our vote (and even that has been eroded over the last 40 years.) > If you want my money you have to tell me what I am getting otherwise its just extortion. You do get told what your tax money will be used for. Constantly. If you choose not to pay attention and choose not to vote, that's on you.
- wav-part 10y ago
  > Yeah, sorry, Libertarianism is more like a religion than a system of governance. Though I support Libertarianism, my post was not about it. I am saying, 10 small socialist nations > 1 big socialist nation. 10 small Apple > 1 big Apple. My point is big state or corporation is risky and can abuse their powers. We have anti-competition organisations for corporations. We should have for states too. If people of a region wants to secede out of a socialist/capitialist/etc regime we should all support. > Leaving everything to the "free market" just frees those who already have wealth and power No not just weathly but _everyone_. > to do whatever they want and shackles the rest of us Like, maybe, all Libertarians, I support non violence. I dont see how that would happen. > who's only power at the moment is our vote Vote is not power. The elected may have powers. But not voters. A widespread misunderstanding. Vote in exchange for personal freedom only favours elected & friends. People are now realizing this. > (and even that has been eroded over the last 40 years.) Yes the world is correcting itself. Vote is not a power. Its productiveness or how useful/neccessery you are to others. To gain productivity you need freedom, thats what I advocate for. > You do get told what your tax money will be used for. Thats not really same as Apple wooing me for iPhone. > Constantly. If you choose not to pay attention and choose not to vote, that's on you. I am from India and I voted for Modi. I have never felt more cheated than now. Look at what a circus India is now. If thats not a case for Libertarianism/Microstates I dont know what is.
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ebbv 10y ago

Yeah, sorry, Libertarianism is more like a religion than a system of governance. Leaving everything to the "free market" just frees those who already have wealth and power to do whatever they want and shackles the rest of us who's only power at the moment is our vote (and even that has been eroded over the last 40 years.) > If you want my money you have to tell me what I am getting otherwise its just extortion. You do get told what your tax money will be used for. Constantly. If you choose not to pay attention and choose not to vote, that's on you.

wav-part 10y ago
> Yeah, sorry, Libertarianism is more like a religion than a system of governance. Though I support Libertarianism, my post was not about it. I am saying, 10 small socialist nations > 1 big socialist nation. 10 small Apple > 1 big Apple. My point is big state or corporation is risky and can abuse their powers. We have anti-competition organisations for corporations. We should have for states too. If people of a region wants to secede out of a socialist/capitialist/etc regime we should all support. > Leaving everything to the "free market" just frees those who already have wealth and power No not just weathly but _everyone_. > to do whatever they want and shackles the rest of us Like, maybe, all Libertarians, I support non violence. I dont see how that would happen. > who's only power at the moment is our vote Vote is not power. The elected may have powers. But not voters. A widespread misunderstanding. Vote in exchange for personal freedom only favours elected & friends. People are now realizing this. > (and even that has been eroded over the last 40 years.) Yes the world is correcting itself. Vote is not a power. Its productiveness or how useful/neccessery you are to others. To gain productivity you need freedom, thats what I advocate for. > You do get told what your tax money will be used for. Thats not really same as Apple wooing me for iPhone. > Constantly. If you choose not to pay attention and choose not to vote, that's on you. I am from India and I voted for Modi. I have never felt more cheated than now. Look at what a circus India is now. If thats not a case for Libertarianism/Microstates I dont know what is.
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