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This article does a nice job of setting up a straw man and summarily knocking it down. The original article on The Register states that the issue arises with pe

This article does a nice job of setting up a straw man and summarily knocking it down. The original article on The Register states that the issue arises with people using Java SE Advanced features without realizing they are licensed separately from Java SE itself, particularly on Windows which (according to that article) has one installer which installs both (thus making it easy to inadvertently use JSE Advanced features).

mSparks 10y ago
Its not exactly clear though, as far as I can tell "commercial features" just means JRocket Mission Control (which is a very cool bit of kit.... debugging production systems remotely with negligable performance hit, seriously you know you should be paying for that) But yeah, the OP is a perfect example of a strawman. Not just windows though afaik, JRocket MC is integral to the oracle JVM.
mike_ivanov 10y ago
The situation is not that simple. For example, the borderline between "general computation" and "embedded" as it is defined by Oracle is not clear at all. They say if your app controls some external "hardware", it makes your system embedded. Does sending a command over a serial line to an actuator from a Java app makes it embedded? Apparently yes. How about Bluetooth devices? A joystick? Controlling a router? Now, how about a rack stuffed with ARM units, are those embedded? They might be quite easily, depending on how Oracle interprets it.
AnimalMuppet 10y ago
One installer, which I get for free, installs stuff that the creator of the installer says I'm supposed to have to pay for? How is that my problem? Note well: IANAL. But I think Oracle would have a very hard time forcing payment. "Stop using it, or else pay up" is within their rights, but will still be an incredibly negative PR mess. "Uninstall the part that was supposed to be pay-only, or else pay up" is perfectly reasonable.

mSparks 10y ago

Its not exactly clear though, as far as I can tell "commercial features" just means JRocket Mission Control (which is a very cool bit of kit.... debugging production systems remotely with negligable performance hit, seriously you know you should be paying for that) But yeah, the OP is a perfect example of a strawman. Not just windows though afaik, JRocket MC is integral to the oracle JVM.

mike_ivanov 10y ago

The situation is not that simple. For example, the borderline between "general computation" and "embedded" as it is defined by Oracle is not clear at all. They say if your app controls some external "hardware", it makes your system embedded. Does sending a command over a serial line to an actuator from a Java app makes it embedded? Apparently yes. How about Bluetooth devices? A joystick? Controlling a router? Now, how about a rack stuffed with ARM units, are those embedded? They might be quite easily, depending on how Oracle interprets it.

AnimalMuppet 10y ago

One installer, which I get for free, installs stuff that the creator of the installer says I'm supposed to have to pay for? How is that my problem? Note well: IANAL. But I think Oracle would have a very hard time forcing payment. "Stop using it, or else pay up" is within their rights, but will still be an incredibly negative PR mess. "Uninstall the part that was supposed to be pay-only, or else pay up" is perfectly reasonable.