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I suppose the dog ate the substantiation of that comment?

by norswap 10y ago

steveklabnik 10y ago
The only comment I'll make in this thread is to link to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13098744 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13098744
- wyldfire 10y ago
  I hate to drag a thread like this out but I'm genuinely curious: why is there someone/are there people out there who have such an axe to grind? Or are they just trolls?
  - dang 10y ago
    The heart is a complex place and the internet a good channel for its darker bits.
  - steveklabnik 10y ago
    I wrote an extremely long comment here, but deleted it. I'd rather say this: like anyone who works in public, I am very open and vulnerable to criticism. When you work in public for a long time, there's a ton of reasons for people to decide that they hate you and have an axe to grind. Some of those things are things I still stand by, some of them are things that I agree that I was in the wrong. I am not a perfect person, and make mistakes like any other. It's up to you to see my actions, who I am, and decide for yourself.
    - setori88 10y ago
      Steve you're a good chap doing some solid, respectable and valuable work. These things are just troglodytes looking to inflict pain. The interesting thing is, they could totally transform themselves by doing constructive work and presenting it to the community. It's then, quite possibly, they realize, it is your attention they seek.
- Twirrim 10y ago
  Odd. It was indicated in that thread that "We've banned this serial troll, of course, but the immune response from the community was particularly healthy here." I guess they got un-banned?
  - steveklabnik 10y ago
    Okay, breaking my rule here: yes, I am wondering that as well. Here's my assumption: the mods straight-up banned this individual's previous accounts, but shadowbanned this one instead. But shadowbanning just kills your comments automatically; in recentish times, HN has added a "vouch" feature that lets you vouch for a comment and get it un-killed. So I imagine that's what happend, which seems like a weakness in the shadowbanning feature, though maybe it's good as well, I don't know. The right way to know is to email the HN mods via the "contact" link at the bottom.
    - dang 10y ago
      That would definitely be the usual explanation but I'm happy to report that in this case there were no vouches. I suppose I should be glad that nobody here leaps to 'programmer error' as an explanation for anything.
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  - dang 10y ago
    They certainly didn't get unbanned! And btw I vaguely recall other accounts being silly around a similar derangement-point, so perhaps this is a serial troll, which is one of the few cases where we just ban accounts immediately. The comment might have gotten unkilled because of a bug that I might have introduced yesterday. Looking into it now. Edit: yep, it turns out I introduced a bug, with the dismaying but hilarious property that flagging a dead comment would revive it. We'll revert the change and try again later.
    - steveklabnik 10y ago
      Thanks dang! I do believe that this is a serial troll, but discussing that is very much offtopic for here, you have my email if you want to talk about it. I know we sometimes have differences, but I do want to reiterate that I think on the whole, you've made this site better, and am glad that HN is taking moderation seriously.

I suppose the dog ate the substantiation of that comment?

by norswap 10y ago

I suppose the dog ate the substantiation of that comment?

The only comment I'll make in this thread is to link to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13098744 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13098744

wyldfire 10y ago
I hate to drag a thread like this out but I'm genuinely curious: why is there someone/are there people out there who have such an axe to grind? Or are they just trolls?
- dang 10y ago
  The heart is a complex place and the internet a good channel for its darker bits.
- steveklabnik 10y ago
  I wrote an extremely long comment here, but deleted it. I'd rather say this: like anyone who works in public, I am very open and vulnerable to criticism. When you work in public for a long time, there's a ton of reasons for people to decide that they hate you and have an axe to grind. Some of those things are things I still stand by, some of them are things that I agree that I was in the wrong. I am not a perfect person, and make mistakes like any other. It's up to you to see my actions, who I am, and decide for yourself.
  - setori88 10y ago
    Steve you're a good chap doing some solid, respectable and valuable work. These things are just troglodytes looking to inflict pain. The interesting thing is, they could totally transform themselves by doing constructive work and presenting it to the community. It's then, quite possibly, they realize, it is your attention they seek.
Twirrim 10y ago
Odd. It was indicated in that thread that "We've banned this serial troll, of course, but the immune response from the community was particularly healthy here." I guess they got un-banned?
- steveklabnik 10y ago
  Okay, breaking my rule here: yes, I am wondering that as well. Here's my assumption: the mods straight-up banned this individual's previous accounts, but shadowbanned this one instead. But shadowbanning just kills your comments automatically; in recentish times, HN has added a "vouch" feature that lets you vouch for a comment and get it un-killed. So I imagine that's what happend, which seems like a weakness in the shadowbanning feature, though maybe it's good as well, I don't know. The right way to know is to email the HN mods via the "contact" link at the bottom.
  - dang 10y ago
    That would definitely be the usual explanation but I'm happy to report that in this case there were no vouches. I suppose I should be glad that nobody here leaps to 'programmer error' as an explanation for anything.
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]
- dang 10y ago
  They certainly didn't get unbanned! And btw I vaguely recall other accounts being silly around a similar derangement-point, so perhaps this is a serial troll, which is one of the few cases where we just ban accounts immediately. The comment might have gotten unkilled because of a bug that I might have introduced yesterday. Looking into it now. Edit: yep, it turns out I introduced a bug, with the dismaying but hilarious property that flagging a dead comment would revive it. We'll revert the change and try again later.
  - steveklabnik 10y ago
    Thanks dang! I do believe that this is a serial troll, but discussing that is very much offtopic for here, you have my email if you want to talk about it. I know we sometimes have differences, but I do want to reiterate that I think on the whole, you've made this site better, and am glad that HN is taking moderation seriously.