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First, you're correct: I never meant to conduct a meaningful study. It was purely of my own curiousity that I did this. However that does not preclude someone e
by isislovecruft 10y ago
First, you're correct: I never meant to conduct a meaningful study. It was purely of my own curiousity that I did this. However that does not preclude someone else, of any gender, doing so more scientifically. And to answer your accusation: yes, I did submit the same patch twice, under two differently gendered names (although never publicly, I would copy-paste the patch and privately email it).
Second, my primary source for whether a name is "female- or male- sounding" is historical lists of most popular baby names for each biological sex, found through google searches.
Furthermore, I certainly have bias. Unfortunately, I have so much bias! As someone who, in grade school, was named Charlie, and had the shit beaten out of me for it, I very strongly know how it feels to be a man/boy who doesn't fit the socially-prescribed norms. However, when I am writing patches for code which determines a user's security, I do not play games; I want that code accepted, no matter what. The code submitted as a "female" was usually either rewritten by a certain gnupg developer (often to include further vulnerabilities and UX pitfalls) or later accepted as a "male".
Lastly, if you submit 10-30 patches over a decade, it's not very hard to make the acceptance/rejection rates come out to nice even numbers. I don't think there's anything as high-level as "identity politics" at play here; I'm merely suggesting that there is bias and that all of us, no matter what our gender or how equitable we are, may have it.
- Sacho 10y ago> However that does not preclude someone else, of any gender, doing so more scientifically. And to answer your accusation: yes, I did submit the same patch twice, under two differently gendered names (although never publicly, I would copy-paste the patch and privately email it). I would have never suspected this, but I don't think it really addresses the concerns of unconscious bias. The scheme yummyfajitas proposed seems to address both(although you would have no way to prove the randomness of your choice). I'm sorry if I sounded too harsh in my initial criticism, it was all hypothetical without any knowledge of you or your specific situation.
- petertodd 10y agoIt'd be good if you published a list of those patches. Also if anyone else repeats this experiment, note that there exist crypto techniques to make it more difficult for the experimenter to do the experiment dishonestly: https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/811559259590660097 https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/811559259590660097 (I would have said "prove the experimenters honesty", but those techniques aren't a 100% thing - you could for instance do the whole commitment/random beacon process multiple times, and only publish the one set that gets the results you want.) edit: To be clear, submitting the same patch twice isn't a good way to do this - if I were a maintainer and learned that an identical patch had been received by two different pseudonyms, I'd certainly consider rejecting it purely on the basis that something fishy was going on; that test doesn't say much about maintainer bias in normal situations.
- pjc50 10y ago"Charlie" is now coded sufficiently female to result in beatings? Jesus. Sorry to hear that. School is a vicious pit of norm enforcement at fist-point. The process by which names get "cooties" like this is rather nasty. People seem to be uncomfortable with even the possibility of both-gender names like "Sam" and "Alex".