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perhaps, "returning to RHEL" would be a much more accurate title. The author has totally understandable grips with RHEL that don't necessarily reflect non-RHEL

perhaps, "returning to RHEL" would be a much more accurate title. The author has totally understandable grips with RHEL that don't necessarily reflect non-RHEL based linux distributions, nor are they problems that I have personally, despite running Linux (arch / gentoo) on my daily drivers for years

unhammer 10y ago
Also, he's installing Fedora (w/Wayland) on Apple hardware, and using NFS. There's quite a lot of things that can go wrong there compared to the less adventurous Linux experience of, say, Ubuntu LTS on a Thinkpad/XPS/Zenbook.
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- vetinari 10y ago
  The biggest mistake is installing on Apple hardware. Fedora on Thinkpad (including Wayland) is very nice, accessing Synology via SMB or even AFS works very nicely. If I was feeling adventurous and had a need for remote block devices, I would try iSCSI too.
akoster 10y ago
For those interested in using RHEL-based distros for a desktop use-case, this blog post may be helpful: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/centos-7-perfect-desktop.html http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/centos-7-perfect-desktop....
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loudmax 10y ago
I think I feel the same way as you, but it really comes down to expectations. I never had trouble with the GUI interface on an Arch or Gentoo install because I've only ever done command line installs. I've had other issues. For example, I had to learn a lot about power management in Linux to get wifi working without draining the battery. And I'm fine with that, that's what I expect out of Arch. RHEL shouldn't be like that. It should install with minimal surprise or weirdness. I recognize the author's complaint about the "Done" button because RHEL uses the same installer. I have a similar complaint along those lines. The system prompts you to set up a non-root account, but you have to click a checkmark to make this user an administrator (ie. in group wheel). Unless I'm completely misreading the target market, making the first user created an administrator should be opt-out, not opt-in. It's not a big deal, but it seems careless. As for Fedora, I don't know. I haven't had the kind of experiences the author describes when installing Fedora, but Fedora systems have never been stable enough for me to stick with. They install okay, then a month or two later you run an update and suddenly your desktop's max resolution to be 640x480 or audio or wifi no longer works. Maybe it's because I've always used LXDE or XFCE instead of GNOME, but oh god I can't stand GNOME.
- nmstoker 10y ago
  I think you've hit the nail on the head. For me the experience has always been a function of what effort you put in and to a degree where you aim for on the "ambitiousness spectrum"! Some things are going to be tough unless you're some kind of guru, because few would've recently tried it and you may hit a brick wall before long. Sounds like openness to weighing up other distros might have helped the author too (not to dis' Fedora!)

unhammer 10y ago

Also, he's installing Fedora (w/Wayland) on Apple hardware, and using NFS. There's quite a lot of things that can go wrong there compared to the less adventurous Linux experience of, say, Ubuntu LTS on a Thinkpad/XPS/Zenbook.

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vetinari 10y ago
The biggest mistake is installing on Apple hardware. Fedora on Thinkpad (including Wayland) is very nice, accessing Synology via SMB or even AFS works very nicely. If I was feeling adventurous and had a need for remote block devices, I would try iSCSI too.

akoster 10y ago

For those interested in using RHEL-based distros for a desktop use-case, this blog post may be helpful: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/centos-7-perfect-desktop.html http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/centos-7-perfect-desktop....

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loudmax 10y ago

I think I feel the same way as you, but it really comes down to expectations. I never had trouble with the GUI interface on an Arch or Gentoo install because I've only ever done command line installs. I've had other issues. For example, I had to learn a lot about power management in Linux to get wifi working without draining the battery. And I'm fine with that, that's what I expect out of Arch. RHEL shouldn't be like that. It should install with minimal surprise or weirdness. I recognize the author's complaint about the "Done" button because RHEL uses the same installer. I have a similar complaint along those lines. The system prompts you to set up a non-root account, but you have to click a checkmark to make this user an administrator (ie. in group wheel). Unless I'm completely misreading the target market, making the first user created an administrator should be opt-out, not opt-in. It's not a big deal, but it seems careless. As for Fedora, I don't know. I haven't had the kind of experiences the author describes when installing Fedora, but Fedora systems have never been stable enough for me to stick with. They install okay, then a month or two later you run an update and suddenly your desktop's max resolution to be 640x480 or audio or wifi no longer works. Maybe it's because I've always used LXDE or XFCE instead of GNOME, but oh god I can't stand GNOME.

nmstoker 10y ago
I think you've hit the nail on the head. For me the experience has always been a function of what effort you put in and to a degree where you aim for on the "ambitiousness spectrum"! Some things are going to be tough unless you're some kind of guru, because few would've recently tried it and you may hit a brick wall before long. Sounds like openness to weighing up other distros might have helped the author too (not to dis' Fedora!)