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I can't wait for the traditional centralized cloud to fade out. I've been anticipating a model I call PAO [1] for several years—personal application omnipresen

by bhauer 10y ago

I can't wait for the traditional centralized cloud to fade out. I've been anticipating a model I call PAO [1] for several years—personal application omnipresence. By that I mean applications that run for you personally and are available on all your devices simultaneously. We've seen gradual movement away from the traditional cloud with several models I call "proto-PAO," such as Microsoft's Continuum. And many applications provide one-off PAO-like experiences by connecting multiple clients to a central server you administrate. But there is so much more to do. I am definitely getting excited, though, that the centralized cloud will likely be replaced in my lifetime. [1] http://tiamat.tsotech.com/pao http://tiamat.tsotech.com/pao

ra1n85 10y ago
I suspect something similar to this will come to pass, as well. The cloud is appealing for a number of reasons. The two biggest seem to be it takes care of the infrastructure and some of the stack. When and if those become trivial accomplishments, I can see a shift.
tlow 10y ago
Very interesting. I've been thinking of a similar application platform from the perspective of design/preferences/configuration. We've seen only a very limited amount of "personalization" like "personalized search" (or cross-device attribution tracking, call it what you will). But I ask you to consider an omnipresent personal user interface. Now I'm thinking a generation after VR (to a stage where we can generate visual stimuli and recognize thought/movement that manipulates it). Wouldn't it be nice if this interface weren't a hodgepodge of Siri/Google Now/Alexa (all linked to their proprietary systems so you can access their walled garden). I imagine a space for middleware dedicated to serving me, not serving me ads.
edblarney 10y ago
The traditional model may change, but the cloud will only grow. PAO concept seams neat, and actually buy it - it will happen to some degree. BUT - many features are inherently 'centralized' in their nature, and will be service oriented, and thus they will stay on the cloud. I think we'll see more 'cloud/personal' and more 'IoT' - but the traditional cloud will continue to grow quite rapidly.
braveo 10y ago
strangely enough, I've been expecting that as well, but reading your blog post, I differ on how it will be realized. I think it's more likely people will instead carry identities that describe the applications they have access to, and be able to load those on devices for their identity only, down to the point of being able to walk up to a new PC, attaching the identity, and then having access to the apps on that new PC. It'll be a 90% solution that's forced to deal with DRM and safe enough remote execution, but it'll also allow you to access your documents from anywhere with a connection. I know you specifically disagree with the idea of synchronization, but that's more feasible than what you're suggesting imo. synchronizing a document is going to be as simple as saving it into the cloud and fetching a delta at the endpoints. This will necessarily not work for certain types of applications, no one is probably going to try and do actual CAD work on the go, although they may view it. But for most things it'll work well enough.
- ryandamm 10y ago
  Onshape.com - check it out. WebGL is good enough for some CAD users.
  - braveo 10y ago
    The issue isn't just one of performance, but form factor and input mechanisms.
lacampbell 10y ago
I thought your article was actually much better than the video linked. I had vaguely thought of something similar before but not in as much detail. If you made a follow up post about what you see as other companies moving towards this PAO and posted it here I think it could spark a really good discussion.

by bhauer 10y ago

ra1n85 10y ago

I suspect something similar to this will come to pass, as well. The cloud is appealing for a number of reasons. The two biggest seem to be it takes care of the infrastructure and some of the stack. When and if those become trivial accomplishments, I can see a shift.

tlow 10y ago

Very interesting. I've been thinking of a similar application platform from the perspective of design/preferences/configuration. We've seen only a very limited amount of "personalization" like "personalized search" (or cross-device attribution tracking, call it what you will). But I ask you to consider an omnipresent personal user interface. Now I'm thinking a generation after VR (to a stage where we can generate visual stimuli and recognize thought/movement that manipulates it). Wouldn't it be nice if this interface weren't a hodgepodge of Siri/Google Now/Alexa (all linked to their proprietary systems so you can access their walled garden). I imagine a space for middleware dedicated to serving me, not serving me ads.

edblarney 10y ago

The traditional model may change, but the cloud will only grow. PAO concept seams neat, and actually buy it - it will happen to some degree. BUT - many features are inherently 'centralized' in their nature, and will be service oriented, and thus they will stay on the cloud. I think we'll see more 'cloud/personal' and more 'IoT' - but the traditional cloud will continue to grow quite rapidly.

braveo 10y ago

strangely enough, I've been expecting that as well, but reading your blog post, I differ on how it will be realized. I think it's more likely people will instead carry identities that describe the applications they have access to, and be able to load those on devices for their identity only, down to the point of being able to walk up to a new PC, attaching the identity, and then having access to the apps on that new PC. It'll be a 90% solution that's forced to deal with DRM and safe enough remote execution, but it'll also allow you to access your documents from anywhere with a connection. I know you specifically disagree with the idea of synchronization, but that's more feasible than what you're suggesting imo. synchronizing a document is going to be as simple as saving it into the cloud and fetching a delta at the endpoints. This will necessarily not work for certain types of applications, no one is probably going to try and do actual CAD work on the go, although they may view it. But for most things it'll work well enough.

ryandamm 10y ago
Onshape.com - check it out. WebGL is good enough for some CAD users.
- braveo 10y ago
  The issue isn't just one of performance, but form factor and input mechanisms.

lacampbell 10y ago

I thought your article was actually much better than the video linked. I had vaguely thought of something similar before but not in as much detail. If you made a follow up post about what you see as other companies moving towards this PAO and posted it here I think it could spark a really good discussion.