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Here's a leaked video of a briefing for the Q15 about Chelsea Manning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpVh24_wGoY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpVh24_wGoY

Here's a leaked video of a briefing for the Q15 about Chelsea Manning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpVh24_wGoY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpVh24_wGoY Yeah, let's focus on whether Chelsea Manning is gay or not. Really important. Very enlightened.

cookiecaper 10y ago
The jump cuts in that video are clear. The person who leaked these very likely had access to years and years of daily briefings (which is what these are, they're not discussions/deliberations as some try to claim), and yet was only able to select 15-ish (don't remember exactly how many) short, highly-edited clips to try to concoct a controversy. It didn't work because no one is surprised that a group of 80+-year-old men who preach that homosexuality is sinful are uncomfortable with homosexuality. This is really the MO of these bitter ex-Mormon groups. They are constantly desperately trying to kick up controversies that just don't have any meat to them, purely out of personal spite. They then express surprise that people without a grudge are uninterested and they have to make their own fake Wikileaks because the real WL knows these standard internal documents are of no public interest.
sorryisaidthat 10y ago
> Yeah, let's focus on whether Chelsea Manning is gay or not. Really important. Very enlightened. Chelsea being gay/gender dysphoric is quite relevant to the Chelsea story. It's one reason she joined the army (hoping masculine environment would resolve her dysphoria), it's one reason she was bullied by coworkers and felt unhappy and isolated (augmented by don't ask don't tell). It was in that environment that Chelsea decided to leak. The main reason we know Chelsea did the leak is because she confided in Adrian the rat Lamo because he was gay. (reasonable people can disagree whether Lamo was right to rat) Also, the briefing is about its potential relevance to the Church. In recent years one of the most common reasons people become disassociated from the LDS church is their policies and teachings and political activism regarding homosexuality, it's also one of the biggest criticisms from the mainstream, so it is perfectly reasonable that if a church employee ends up leaking confidential information they stand a significant chance of being disgruntled over homosexual issues. FWIW: I admire what Chelsea did with the leaks, am saddened that she was so poorly treated/tortured, think she should be pardoned, appreciate that reasonable people can disagree on this, am a believing Mormon, and think homosexual acts are sinful.

cookiecaper 10y ago

The jump cuts in that video are clear. The person who leaked these very likely had access to years and years of daily briefings (which is what these are, they're not discussions/deliberations as some try to claim), and yet was only able to select 15-ish (don't remember exactly how many) short, highly-edited clips to try to concoct a controversy. It didn't work because no one is surprised that a group of 80+-year-old men who preach that homosexuality is sinful are uncomfortable with homosexuality. This is really the MO of these bitter ex-Mormon groups. They are constantly desperately trying to kick up controversies that just don't have any meat to them, purely out of personal spite. They then express surprise that people without a grudge are uninterested and they have to make their own fake Wikileaks because the real WL knows these standard internal documents are of no public interest.

sorryisaidthat 10y ago

> Yeah, let's focus on whether Chelsea Manning is gay or not. Really important. Very enlightened. Chelsea being gay/gender dysphoric is quite relevant to the Chelsea story. It's one reason she joined the army (hoping masculine environment would resolve her dysphoria), it's one reason she was bullied by coworkers and felt unhappy and isolated (augmented by don't ask don't tell). It was in that environment that Chelsea decided to leak. The main reason we know Chelsea did the leak is because she confided in Adrian the rat Lamo because he was gay. (reasonable people can disagree whether Lamo was right to rat) Also, the briefing is about its potential relevance to the Church. In recent years one of the most common reasons people become disassociated from the LDS church is their policies and teachings and political activism regarding homosexuality, it's also one of the biggest criticisms from the mainstream, so it is perfectly reasonable that if a church employee ends up leaking confidential information they stand a significant chance of being disgruntled over homosexual issues. FWIW: I admire what Chelsea did with the leaks, am saddened that she was so poorly treated/tortured, think she should be pardoned, appreciate that reasonable people can disagree on this, am a believing Mormon, and think homosexual acts are sinful.