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It's dishonest to accuse me of cherry picking statistics - particularly when I never claimed my short post was a rigorous statistical analysis - then reply to m
by lacampbell 10y ago
It's dishonest to accuse me of cherry picking statistics - particularly when I never claimed my short post was a rigorous statistical analysis - then reply to me with your own cherry picked statistics. Nevertheless...
There's over twice as many doctors per 1,000 people in Cuba than the US, however those facts are dismissed.
And how does this effect the quality of life in Cuba? Life expectancy is the same [0]. Are working class Americans creating makeshift boats to sail to Cuba in order to benefit from the superior conditions?
When people talk about how decrease in things like open sewage, food-borne disease and other civic advancements lead to increase in longevity, those facts are dismissed.
Those are good things. Low tax, high income places tend to have these features as well, strangely enough. I recommend visiting Hong Kong or Singapore.
When people talk about how there's more affordability and more equitable medical care under democratically administered health systems, those facts are dismissed.
Those aren't facts. Those are vague hand waves.
When people talk about what Nestle has done to privatized water, what the diamond industry has done to Africa, how the market-based oil system has kept the middle east in 21st century monarchies, those facts are dismissed.
I never claimed markets were always benevolent. Simply that they tend towards more prosperity than collectivism. Also none of what you pointed to is particularly free of state involvement - states are all complicit.
You can "cherry pick" the worst examples of what corporations have done all you like, they pale into comparison to the cherry pickings of the worst thing public institutions like states have done (famines, genocides, world wars).
Such claims as miraculous progress due to privatization are absurdist fantasies and easily refuted.
And yet you have failed to do so.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy#List_by_the_World_Health_Organization_.282015.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expe...
- kristopolous 10y agoLook I understand free market beliefs are a religion. Maybe one day you'll look past it. It's fine About "fleeing", that's people emmigrating. Are Mexicans "fleeing" NAFTA? Canadians moving to the US fleeing Trudeau? No, there's lots of reasons to leave and that word choice ignores this fact - especially 67 years after the revolution; that's really taking your sweet time if it's Castro's Cuba making you leave.
- lacampbell 10y agoIt's not arguing in good faith to imply that the only reason I disagree with you is because my view point constitutes a religion, or because I simply haven't come to a certain point of enlightenment that you yourself have presumably reached.
- kristopolous 10y agoLook, my position is simply anti-absolutism. I don't know what will be best suited for a problem before I understand the problem. The free market isn't always best, nor is any other system. I'm not against markets - I'm against it being the square peg for all the round holes of society. If it's a square hole, then go ahead, be my guest. I'm anti-capitalist, anti-communist, anti-statist, anti-socialist ... anything with an "ist" - these are tools to solve different kinds of problems. We need to acknowledge their applications and limitations.