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Over the last 30-40 years, particularly post 2008, many people with college degrees can't find meaningful work in their chosen field--say biology, chemistry, bu
by siavosh 10y ago
Over the last 30-40 years, particularly post 2008, many people with college degrees can't find meaningful work in their chosen field--say biology, chemistry, business etc. In other words, they may have made a very reasonable decision on the loan as an investment and it just didn't work, it happens. Normally you can file for bankruptcy, but you can't with student loans which is rather odd and points to a more sinister collusion between business and government.
My issue with your line of thinking is that I rarely hear the same outrage towards the government doing massive subsidization of private business at tax payer expense (billions of dollars of bail outs for Wallstreet, tax payer funded research with private profit etc).
The school of thought that individuals must suffer bad investment decisions without legal protection, but an LLC can with normal government help reeks of an injustice.
- civilian 10y agoSorry the public voices aren't loud enough--- I'm also against those things. We should've let the banks collapse during the crash of 2008 too. "tax payer funded research with private profit" is a grayer area is, but that's not our point. I have a degree in Biochemistry. After I graduated in 2009 I was unemployed for 7 months while looking for a job--- and when I got my first biotech job, I got fired within two months. I ended up working data-entry, and just feeling like: "wow. This is fucked up. Let's do something else". I took a night class in python and my first software job paid _double_ what my biotech job paid. People can and should continue to problem solve on their situation. We are not passengers in life, we are active agents!
- antisthenes 10y agoYou got a developer job after 1 night class in python? Forgive me if I don't take that story at face value as evidence that everyone can pull themselves up by the bootstraps by becoming a software developer/engineer.
- civilian 10y agoOkay, the full story: I guess the fuller story is that I had taken AP Java in high school. I took one CS class in college, but I dropped it to prioritize other classes. I also got help from my younger brother, who was graduating with a degree in CS. We had a half dozen skype conversations that helped me get started before the night class started. The night class was 9 months long, but I got my first job about 2/3 through it. I told my instructor that I was bored as shit at work, and had saved up enough that I could try being an unpaid intern for a month in the hopes that I'd get a real job. My instructor sent out some emails, I had five interviews, and one of them offered me a paying job! So I took it. You're right that I had a decent background for it, and that my brother helped me. But I also really wanted it, and I was bored to tears at my job, and it kept me motivated. Everyone can make decisions about their careers and study the trade-offs. And we should encourage that, rather than letting them fall into learned helplessness! Look at this: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/56xkrd/how_to_pick_a_trade_job/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/56xkrd/how_to_pick_...
- antisthenes 10y agoYes, not quite the original you posted. You've had help from 1. your brother, 2. your professor, 3. accumulated savings. That's quite a combination of factors, the majority of Americans simply do not have the luxury or luck of having (even if by their own inaction or faults).