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What Ted seems to ignore is that Ubuntu's company is a barely profitable one so they just can't afford (yet) to have lots of well paid kernel developers. Canon

What Ted seems to ignore is that Ubuntu's company is a barely profitable one so they just can't afford (yet) to have lots of well paid kernel developers. Canonical does not make billions unlike Google and even Red Hat. It was funded by a guy who gave money from his own pocket and a lot of it and managed to make Linux popular, so kudos to him and I'm sure they'll get lots of kernel developers if they ever manage to be very profitable.

gamache 16y ago
I don't think Ted's ignoring that; it's just not his responsibility. If Ubuntu wants wizard-level fixes at short deadlines, they need to hire and retain wizards, and that's that.
- hga 16y ago
  Exactly. There are certain required costs to play certain games, and if they're not willing or able to pony up the resources necessary to play their game (making a good release out of Debian unstable every 6 months) then that's not his problem. I myself have left more than one company because they hired me to do X but then didn't have the will or the means to buy necessary stuff (e.g. a UNIX license). See elsewhere in this topic where I addressed how their low quality releases starting with Hardy Heron may in fact be hurting Linux. If true, that and the resulting backlash against Canonical would have it end up in even worse shape financially and therefore less able to hire hackers of the level required. I.e. kernel hackers like Ted who keep fielding their requests for help and who are acutely aware of their lack of quality in their releases might be particularly unmoved by the "we're bringing Linux to the masses" argument.
  - papachito 16y ago
    > then that's not his problem Who said it was his problem?
    - hga 16y ago
      I'm using it as a figure of speech, not a quote or paraphrase of anything anyone said.
      - papachito 16y ago
        But that is part of the problem, Ted is complaining that he's not responsible for fixing Ubuntu's bugs and then people say he's right. Only problem is that Canonical never said he was responsible for anything. So what is he ranting about?
- papachito 16y ago
  > If Ubuntu wants wizard-level fixes at short deadlines, they need to hire and retain wizards, and that's that. Who said they want those? They just don't have the money to pay for such devs, they know it, and that's that. Also who said it was his responsibility? Sounds like a big straw man to me.

gamache 16y ago

I don't think Ted's ignoring that; it's just not his responsibility. If Ubuntu wants wizard-level fixes at short deadlines, they need to hire and retain wizards, and that's that.

hga 16y ago
Exactly. There are certain required costs to play certain games, and if they're not willing or able to pony up the resources necessary to play their game (making a good release out of Debian unstable every 6 months) then that's not his problem. I myself have left more than one company because they hired me to do X but then didn't have the will or the means to buy necessary stuff (e.g. a UNIX license). See elsewhere in this topic where I addressed how their low quality releases starting with Hardy Heron may in fact be hurting Linux. If true, that and the resulting backlash against Canonical would have it end up in even worse shape financially and therefore less able to hire hackers of the level required. I.e. kernel hackers like Ted who keep fielding their requests for help and who are acutely aware of their lack of quality in their releases might be particularly unmoved by the "we're bringing Linux to the masses" argument.
- papachito 16y ago
  > then that's not his problem Who said it was his problem?
  - hga 16y ago
    I'm using it as a figure of speech, not a quote or paraphrase of anything anyone said.
    - papachito 16y ago
      But that is part of the problem, Ted is complaining that he's not responsible for fixing Ubuntu's bugs and then people say he's right. Only problem is that Canonical never said he was responsible for anything. So what is he ranting about?
papachito 16y ago
> If Ubuntu wants wizard-level fixes at short deadlines, they need to hire and retain wizards, and that's that. Who said they want those? They just don't have the money to pay for such devs, they know it, and that's that. Also who said it was his responsibility? Sounds like a big straw man to me.