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ACA repeal could cost California more than 200,000 jobs
- sharemywin 10y agoMaybe they should adjust their state tax base and if the rest of the country is subsidizing CA than that's a problem.
- ideonexus 10y agoCalifornia's federal taxes subsidize the rest of the country, not the other way around: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/ http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-st...
- boona 10y ago> ACA repeal could cost California more than 200,000 jobs My god, 200,000 jobs in CA alone?! It's worst than I thought. That's 200,000 people who are not only costing the economy, but aren't contributing to the economy themselves.
- stuaxo 10y agoIs this missing a sarcasm tag? I don't really get it - but then am tired.
- manojr 10y agoDid it create 200,000 jobs?
- labster 10y agoThis is all kind of a joke, because California would never go back to the way it was before Obamacare. At the very least, we would increase taxes to pay for it within our own state. But I wouldn't be surprised if we went to a single payer health insurance system here. Right now, we're supporting the ACA because it was Obama's signature issue, but if it's gone people will want to switch to something better. Democrats will have a supermajority in California come January. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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- nugget 10y agoNot all universal health insurance systems are created equal. Read up on Molina Healthcare. Some of the Medi-Cal heavy provider networks in Southern California are so bad that they are effectively inaccessible.
- labster 10y agoOh, I'm aware of the MediCal providers, because my friends have to use them. That's what Obamacare coverage gets you -- access to the cheapest doctors, or the ones who are willing to essentially donate their time. The only reason I'm against "repeal and replace" is because I expect the end result will be worse than the ACA. The system is fundamentally broken, but still getting stuff done. In the way that many major software projects are. If the Congress was willing to write their own code instead of outsourcing it to lobbyists, I might be a little more confident in the results.
- edblarney 10y agoThee's no way on earth Cali will go single payer. Something that gives 'essentially universal coverage' - sure. But single payer, no way. 'Single payer' often means that Steve Jobs waits 12 months for his knee replacement, in behind a lot of unemployed folks, immigrants, many undocumented migrants etc. which is the objective of socialized medicine. In Canada, it's illegal to pay a doctor to fix you. Granted, we're the only country where this is the case. I could be wrong, but a UK friend indicated that if you 'go outside the NHS' then you have to basically stay outside of it. The 'real challenge' is to try to find the right balance and make it fair, but still allow people to have choice etc.. Probably for 2/3rds of people, 'single payer' is best, but for a not-insignificant-minority it's definitely not. It's tricky because I'm not sure anyone in the world has the solution.
- Randin 10y agoI would say that France may have it right.
- gozur88 10y ago200k jobs? What kind of jobs? If these are paper shufflers adding overhead to health care, then I'm all for it.
- viraptor 10y agoThe looked research explains: "The majority (135,000) of these lost jobs would be in the healthcare industry, including at hospitals, doctor offices, labs, outpatient and ambulatory care centers, nursing homes, dentist offices, other healthcare settings, and insurers. But jobs would also be lost in other industries. Suppliers of the healthcare industry, such as food service, janitorial, and accounting firms, would experience reduced demand, leading to job loss. The lost jobs also include those lost due to the “induced effect” of healthcare workers spending less at restaurants, retail stores, and other local businesses."
- gozur88 10y ago>The majority (135,000) of these lost jobs would be in the healthcare industry, including at hospitals, doctor offices, labs, outpatient and ambulatory care centers, nursing homes, dentist offices, other healthcare settings, and insurers. Yes, I see we know where they work but not what they do.
- viraptor 10y agoAny reason not to understand this as "across the board"? High costs and few insured mean fewer people actually going to the doctor. Lower volume would affect everyone from receptionists to specialist doctors, any supporting staff, and management. Maybe apart from the ER staff. They'll get more people who didn't handle simple problems early. (Or couldn't afford to)
- gozur88 10y ago>Any reason not to understand this as "across the board"? Is there any reason to assume it? It's not like people didn't get care before the ACA - they used Medicaid or went to the ER. We were told the ACA would make things more efficient as people would be able to use primary care instead of ERs for non-emergency problems. And yet somehow we have 200k extra jobs. That's not a sign of efficiency.
- rebootthesystem 10y agoKeeping a bad system just to save jobs that should not exist in the first place is the height of stupidity. We need 200K jobs in California to run the ACA? I live in a town with a population of about 40,000 people. It takes five towns like mine to run this abomination? Good riddance. On all fronts.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 10y agoDo you have any idea how big California is.
- rebootthesystem 10y agoDo you have a clue? CA was just fine before Obamacare. The healthcare infrastructure here is massive. Did not need 200K people to raise costs other than to pay-off more voters and create an even larger bureaucracy. Our healthcare (meaning my family and business) was half the cost and far better before Obamacare came into effect. Today we would have to be run over by a truck --twice-- before insurance does anything for us. I could buy a very nice car every year with what we are paying. And we are all healthy. No issues whatsoever. It's obscene beyond description.
- TheCoelacanth 10y agoNo, it takes 200K jobs to provide healthcare for the millions of previously uninsured people in CA.
- rebootthesystem 10y agoThat's really funny. I guess before Obamacare we were living in the Dark Ages and nobody was able to receive any form of health care in CA. Please.
- TheCoelacanth 10y agoI never claimed that no one had insurance previously. About 32 million people did. Obamacare added a few million more to that number, hence the new healthcare jobs.
- cylinder 10y agoEnough with this job counting nonsense.