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This is also a good indicator: “I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore?" Tim Cook told the paper during a trip to visit Apple's flag

This is also a good indicator: “I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore?" Tim Cook told the paper during a trip to visit Apple's flagship store in London for the debut of its powerful big-screen tablet, the new iPad Pro. "No really," he said, "why would you buy one?” http://fortune.com/2015/11/10/apple-ceo-tim-cook-pc/ http://fortune.com/2015/11/10/apple-ceo-tim-cook-pc/

comex 10y ago
No offense, but this is like one of those false stories in politics that keeps spreading no matter what the fact checkers say. I've seen that quote posted on HN like five times now. It doesn't mean what you think it means. Tim Cook isn't actually so undisciplined that he would call an entire product line of his company useless in an interview. In Apple's world, "PC" means Windows PC; the Mac is not a "PC". As Gruber noted[1], remember the ad campaign - "I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC..." [1] http://daringfireball.net/linked/2016/10/31/cook-why-would-you-buy-a-pc-anymore http://daringfireball.net/linked/2016/10/31/cook-why-would-y...
- pjmlp 10y ago
  Well they have videos pushing the iPad Pro as computer replacement. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1zPYW6Ipgok https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1zPYW6Ipgok
  - comex 10y ago
    Yes, Apple definitely wants the iPad to work as a computer replacement, but they also recognize it's not good enough as a replacement for most power users (yet). In fact, in the same article as the "why would you" quote, Tim Cook goes on to say the iPad Pro can replace "a notebook or a desktop for many, many people". "A notebook or a desktop", unlike "a PC", does include Macs, but saying the iPad Pro can replace them for "many, many people" implies it can't for others.
- canuckintime 10y ago
  And I've seen that DaringFireball 'rebuttal' posted a couple of times even though it's false "No Gruber is just plain wrong. I thought I remembered Cook using "PC" to mean Mac and WinPC, and, after a little Googling, found I was right" [1] [1] https://myfreakinname.blogspot.com/2016/11/john-hodgman-is-not-tim-cook-term-pc.html https://myfreakinname.blogspot.com/2016/11/john-hodgman-is-n...
  - dkonofalski 10y ago
    That looks like the manifesto of someone that's gone completely crazy.
lobster_johnson 10y ago
How so? The Mac is not a PC.
- flukus 10y ago
  The mac is a personal computer.
  - lobster_johnson 10y ago
    Yes, but "PC" has a very specific meaning in almost every context, and Apple never refer to their machines as PCs. Which is why Apple was able to run those "I'm a Mac/I'm a PC" ads.
    - lmm 10y ago
      It really doesn't though. Apple fans may define "PC" differently, but to the ordinary person in the street, a Mac is a PC is a computer.
    - PudgePacket 10y ago
      "never" is a bit strong, I have this video cover saying otherwise :) http://i.imgur.com/aEgG96c.jpg http://i.imgur.com/aEgG96c.jpg
  - Aaargh20318 10y ago
    Sure. But it's not a Personal Computer (or compatible). The term PC does not refer to any computer intended for personal use, it refers to machines compatible with the IBM 5150 Personal Computer.
    - josteink 10y ago
      > Sure. But it's not a Personal Computer (or compatible). Sure it is. It made out of stock X86 hardware components. It uses stock PC expansion modules. It can boot and run both Windows and Linux. Exactly how is not a PC?

comex 10y ago

No offense, but this is like one of those false stories in politics that keeps spreading no matter what the fact checkers say. I've seen that quote posted on HN like five times now. It doesn't mean what you think it means. Tim Cook isn't actually so undisciplined that he would call an entire product line of his company useless in an interview. In Apple's world, "PC" means Windows PC; the Mac is not a "PC". As Gruber noted[1], remember the ad campaign - "I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC..." [1] http://daringfireball.net/linked/2016/10/31/cook-why-would-you-buy-a-pc-anymore http://daringfireball.net/linked/2016/10/31/cook-why-would-y...

pjmlp 10y ago
Well they have videos pushing the iPad Pro as computer replacement. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1zPYW6Ipgok https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1zPYW6Ipgok
- comex 10y ago
  Yes, Apple definitely wants the iPad to work as a computer replacement, but they also recognize it's not good enough as a replacement for most power users (yet). In fact, in the same article as the "why would you" quote, Tim Cook goes on to say the iPad Pro can replace "a notebook or a desktop for many, many people". "A notebook or a desktop", unlike "a PC", does include Macs, but saying the iPad Pro can replace them for "many, many people" implies it can't for others.
canuckintime 10y ago
And I've seen that DaringFireball 'rebuttal' posted a couple of times even though it's false "No Gruber is just plain wrong. I thought I remembered Cook using "PC" to mean Mac and WinPC, and, after a little Googling, found I was right" [1] [1] https://myfreakinname.blogspot.com/2016/11/john-hodgman-is-not-tim-cook-term-pc.html https://myfreakinname.blogspot.com/2016/11/john-hodgman-is-n...
- dkonofalski 10y ago
  That looks like the manifesto of someone that's gone completely crazy.

lobster_johnson 10y ago

How so? The Mac is not a PC.

flukus 10y ago
The mac is a personal computer.
- lobster_johnson 10y ago
  Yes, but "PC" has a very specific meaning in almost every context, and Apple never refer to their machines as PCs. Which is why Apple was able to run those "I'm a Mac/I'm a PC" ads.
  - lmm 10y ago
    It really doesn't though. Apple fans may define "PC" differently, but to the ordinary person in the street, a Mac is a PC is a computer.
  - PudgePacket 10y ago
    "never" is a bit strong, I have this video cover saying otherwise :) http://i.imgur.com/aEgG96c.jpg http://i.imgur.com/aEgG96c.jpg
- Aaargh20318 10y ago
  Sure. But it's not a Personal Computer (or compatible). The term PC does not refer to any computer intended for personal use, it refers to machines compatible with the IBM 5150 Personal Computer.
  - josteink 10y ago
    > Sure. But it's not a Personal Computer (or compatible). Sure it is. It made out of stock X86 hardware components. It uses stock PC expansion modules. It can boot and run both Windows and Linux. Exactly how is not a PC?