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> This comment is not constructive and should be suppressed I can't think of any comments 'Dead' because of disagreement. I really think this is a non-existen

> This comment is not constructive and should be suppressed I can't think of any comments 'Dead' because of disagreement. I really think this is a non-existent issue. If anything the grey-out attracts users to read it. I read these more than middle comments.

lisper 10y ago
If anyone is still paying attention here, can you help conduct this experiment by down-voting aaron695's comment to see what happens? I can't do it myself because you're not allowed to down-vote responses to your own comments.
grzm 10y ago
I can't think of any comments 'Dead' because of disagreement. I've seen feedback from users that they feel that this is exactly why a comment was down-voted, whether it gets killed or not. I admit I don't have any dead comments at hand, and I don't think the search API returns dead comments. Granting the anecdatum, here's one that I came across: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13190877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13190877
- aaron695 10y ago
  As an example of [dead] due lack of value to the conversation? I think users blame downvotes on disagreement, but in reality it's often badly formed written viewpoints lacking in value or OT. But if it's a popular opinion people will be forgiving. Unpopular, not so much.
  - grzm 10y ago
    I think users blame downvotes on disagreement, but in reality it's often badly formed written viewpoints lacking in value or OT. I think that's often (but not always) the case. That said, I don't know how to convince those who think otherwise. One person's weakly argued comment might be someone else's disagreement. Compare with the Political Detox Week experiment: there was quite a bit of expressed disagreement as to what "politics" means. Or what constitutes civility. Or what's off-topic. It's not only whether the down votes are due to disagreement; it's also whether the commenter perceives the down-votes as such (which is the case of the example I provided). Edit to add: There will always be some percentage of members who won't agree, and they're more likely to be vocal. I'm not sure how to measure when the optimum is reached (most users feel the system is working as expected).

lisper 10y ago

If anyone is still paying attention here, can you help conduct this experiment by down-voting aaron695's comment to see what happens? I can't do it myself because you're not allowed to down-vote responses to your own comments.

grzm 10y ago

I can't think of any comments 'Dead' because of disagreement. I've seen feedback from users that they feel that this is exactly why a comment was down-voted, whether it gets killed or not. I admit I don't have any dead comments at hand, and I don't think the search API returns dead comments. Granting the anecdatum, here's one that I came across: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13190877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13190877

aaron695 10y ago
As an example of [dead] due lack of value to the conversation? I think users blame downvotes on disagreement, but in reality it's often badly formed written viewpoints lacking in value or OT. But if it's a popular opinion people will be forgiving. Unpopular, not so much.
- grzm 10y ago
  I think users blame downvotes on disagreement, but in reality it's often badly formed written viewpoints lacking in value or OT. I think that's often (but not always) the case. That said, I don't know how to convince those who think otherwise. One person's weakly argued comment might be someone else's disagreement. Compare with the Political Detox Week experiment: there was quite a bit of expressed disagreement as to what "politics" means. Or what constitutes civility. Or what's off-topic. It's not only whether the down votes are due to disagreement; it's also whether the commenter perceives the down-votes as such (which is the case of the example I provided). Edit to add: There will always be some percentage of members who won't agree, and they're more likely to be vocal. I'm not sure how to measure when the optimum is reached (most users feel the system is working as expected).