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I would just take Juno. The drivers here in NYC are only doing Uber to get enough ratings to qualify for Juno. Uber went way too far squeezing drivers, it's a m

I would just take Juno. The drivers here in NYC are only doing Uber to get enough ratings to qualify for Juno. Uber went way too far squeezing drivers, it's a mess. I've seen their Uber pool earnings ... It should be illegal.

moxious 10y ago
Well this article makes it clear that Uber isn't shafting the drivers for their profit. It seems no one is making a profit and Uber has figured out how to have drivers help them fund their growth.
notliketherest 10y ago
Maybe they should just make Uber illegal and then there would be no predatory pricing.
- whyenot 10y ago
  It would probably be more efficient to make predatory pricing illegal.
notliketherest 10y ago
Maybe they should just make Uber illegal and then there would be no predatory pricing.
thechut 10y ago
What exactly is the Juno model? Just a clone of early Uber?
- nsp 10y ago
  To some degree, Juno's stated differentiator is being the best ride hail app from the drivers perspective by: - 50% of founder equity goes to drivers - 10% vs 20-25% cut of fares - no pooled concept (this may be purely because they're too small to support it, though it is also unpopular with drivers
  - aianus 10y ago
    Why do I care what the drivers like? I don't buy any other products or services based on the happiness of the workers. Uber still has the most drivers and the cheapest prices.
    - gech 10y ago
      Maybe you should
    - SixSigma 10y ago
      So all your products are made with child labour and indentured slaves ?
    - untog 10y ago
      To put it the other way around, why not care? In NYC Juno is no more expensive than Uber (in fact there's a promo rate on right now), so if I have the option, why wouldn't I choose the option that does best by the person driving me around in their car? Even if I were entirely selfish it wouldn't be in my interests for them to be stressed and rushing to cram in as many jobs as they can.
      - morgante 10y ago
        Juno has a substantially smaller driver pool. Whenever I get a ride, I always check all 3 and Juno is almost always much further out.
        untog 10y ago
        Interesting, in Brooklyn I don't have that experience at all. Uber probably has more drivers overall, but Juno is usually 3-4 mins away.
        lambdadmitry 10y ago
        >Whenever I get a ride, I always check all 3 This is why I don't get why Uber tries to "undercut competitors". Even if they succeed, the second it stops bleeding money and raises prices competition will reappear. It's not like it is hard to install another app.
flylib 10y ago
Uber will long outlast Juno, Juno won't be able to finding funding long enough and will go under
- untog 10y ago
  As best I can see, Juno isn't trying to aggressively expand to multiple cities like Uber is. They don't need as much funding.
  - flylib 10y ago
    except they are already running at a huge loss and they will be stuck in one city forever? plus they came in so late that funding is harder to find as a lot of investors have already made bets in their competitors
morgante 10y ago
Juno is totally non-viable. Being "better for drivers" is not a competitive differentiator. 99% (including me) don't choose services based on which is "better for drivers."
- cylinder 10y ago
  Why not? The drivers are more pleasant and of much higher quality so I'm getting better service.
  - morgante 10y ago
    So then the competitive differentiator is "better drivers" and "better service" which are of course classic and common differentiators.
- lsc 10y ago
  I dunno, I have several friends who consistently use Lyft pool even though the Uber pool in my area is usually less than half the cost, and Juno has a much more credible claim, as far as I can tell, at being ethical than Lyft does. People spend money on that sort of thing. That aside, getting drivers is half the battle; even choosing on a selfish basis (and I choose ride-share services on a selfish basis) - if you have more drivers, I have to wait less. For a while, in my area, lyft consistently had more drivers and got there quicker, while uber was consistently cheaper; when I was in a hurry, I'd use lyft. (my perception is that this has changed and that lyft no longer has that advantage in my area, but point being, if you can't get there in 5 minutes and your competitor can? I might be going with your competitor, even if it's more expensive.)

moxious 10y ago

Well this article makes it clear that Uber isn't shafting the drivers for their profit. It seems no one is making a profit and Uber has figured out how to have drivers help them fund their growth.

notliketherest 10y ago

Maybe they should just make Uber illegal and then there would be no predatory pricing.

whyenot 10y ago
It would probably be more efficient to make predatory pricing illegal.

notliketherest 10y ago

Maybe they should just make Uber illegal and then there would be no predatory pricing.

thechut 10y ago

What exactly is the Juno model? Just a clone of early Uber?

nsp 10y ago
To some degree, Juno's stated differentiator is being the best ride hail app from the drivers perspective by: - 50% of founder equity goes to drivers - 10% vs 20-25% cut of fares - no pooled concept (this may be purely because they're too small to support it, though it is also unpopular with drivers
- aianus 10y ago
  Why do I care what the drivers like? I don't buy any other products or services based on the happiness of the workers. Uber still has the most drivers and the cheapest prices.
  - gech 10y ago
    Maybe you should
  - SixSigma 10y ago
    So all your products are made with child labour and indentured slaves ?
  - untog 10y ago
    To put it the other way around, why not care? In NYC Juno is no more expensive than Uber (in fact there's a promo rate on right now), so if I have the option, why wouldn't I choose the option that does best by the person driving me around in their car? Even if I were entirely selfish it wouldn't be in my interests for them to be stressed and rushing to cram in as many jobs as they can.
    - morgante 10y ago
      Juno has a substantially smaller driver pool. Whenever I get a ride, I always check all 3 and Juno is almost always much further out.
      - untog 10y ago
        Interesting, in Brooklyn I don't have that experience at all. Uber probably has more drivers overall, but Juno is usually 3-4 mins away.
      - lambdadmitry 10y ago
        >Whenever I get a ride, I always check all 3 This is why I don't get why Uber tries to "undercut competitors". Even if they succeed, the second it stops bleeding money and raises prices competition will reappear. It's not like it is hard to install another app.

flylib 10y ago

Uber will long outlast Juno, Juno won't be able to finding funding long enough and will go under

untog 10y ago
As best I can see, Juno isn't trying to aggressively expand to multiple cities like Uber is. They don't need as much funding.
- flylib 10y ago
  except they are already running at a huge loss and they will be stuck in one city forever? plus they came in so late that funding is harder to find as a lot of investors have already made bets in their competitors

morgante 10y ago

Juno is totally non-viable. Being "better for drivers" is not a competitive differentiator. 99% (including me) don't choose services based on which is "better for drivers."

cylinder 10y ago
Why not? The drivers are more pleasant and of much higher quality so I'm getting better service.
- morgante 10y ago
  So then the competitive differentiator is "better drivers" and "better service" which are of course classic and common differentiators.
lsc 10y ago
I dunno, I have several friends who consistently use Lyft pool even though the Uber pool in my area is usually less than half the cost, and Juno has a much more credible claim, as far as I can tell, at being ethical than Lyft does. People spend money on that sort of thing. That aside, getting drivers is half the battle; even choosing on a selfish basis (and I choose ride-share services on a selfish basis) - if you have more drivers, I have to wait less. For a while, in my area, lyft consistently had more drivers and got there quicker, while uber was consistently cheaper; when I was in a hurry, I'd use lyft. (my perception is that this has changed and that lyft no longer has that advantage in my area, but point being, if you can't get there in 5 minutes and your competitor can? I might be going with your competitor, even if it's more expensive.)