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From all I read, the interesting parts of the Bolt are actually completely made and designed by LG - all the electric components. And Tesla makes more Model S p

by _ph_ 10y ago

From all I read, the interesting parts of the Bolt are actually completely made and designed by LG - all the electric components. And Tesla makes more Model S per day than GM builds Bolts. But I am happy that Bolt exists, as it currently is the most affordable electrical car with a long range. We need more of those.

Someone 10y ago
https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-and-panasonic-collaborate https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-and-panasonic-collaborate: "Tesla and Panasonic have entered into a non-binding letter of intent under which they will begin collaborating on the manufacturing and production of photovoltaic (PV) cells and modules in Buffalo" That can be read as the two companies will work on manufacturing cells and modules together, but I think that isn't the case, given that that same press release states: "The parties intend for Panasonic to begin PV cell and module production at the Buffalo facility in 2017. Tesla intends to provide a long-term purchase commitment for those cells from Panasonic." If that conclusion is correct (corrections welcome), I would guess (again: corrections welcome) that that includes quite a few bits of software and hardware components on top of that that control charging and battery longevity. So, is the Tesla-Panasonic really that different from the Chevy-LG one? From what I can see, the main difference is that the former are more committed to each other, with the advantages and disadvantages that that brings.
- spiznnx 10y ago
  Is Tesla-Panasonic more than just PV? I don't see how it's related to their EV business, just their Powerwall and Powerpack products.
  - Someone 10y ago
    Sorry, I copied from the wrong press release (I guess I got confused about the two meanings of 'cell' somewhere in my search path. It can be either a solar cell or a battery cell). Panasonic plays a large part in both Tesla's solar cell manufacturing and their battery manufacturing. https://electrek.co/2016/11/02/tesla-panasonic-2170-battery-cell-highest-energy-density-cell-world-cheapest-elon-musk/ https://electrek.co/2016/11/02/tesla-panasonic-2170-battery-...: "Tesla’s current custom 18650 battery cells produced by Panasonic are estimated to have an energy density of ~250 Wh/kg"

by _ph_ 10y ago

Someone 10y ago

https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-and-panasonic-collaborate https://www.tesla.com/blog/tesla-and-panasonic-collaborate: "Tesla and Panasonic have entered into a non-binding letter of intent under which they will begin collaborating on the manufacturing and production of photovoltaic (PV) cells and modules in Buffalo" That can be read as the two companies will work on manufacturing cells and modules together, but I think that isn't the case, given that that same press release states: "The parties intend for Panasonic to begin PV cell and module production at the Buffalo facility in 2017. Tesla intends to provide a long-term purchase commitment for those cells from Panasonic." If that conclusion is correct (corrections welcome), I would guess (again: corrections welcome) that that includes quite a few bits of software and hardware components on top of that that control charging and battery longevity. So, is the Tesla-Panasonic really that different from the Chevy-LG one? From what I can see, the main difference is that the former are more committed to each other, with the advantages and disadvantages that that brings.

spiznnx 10y ago
Is Tesla-Panasonic more than just PV? I don't see how it's related to their EV business, just their Powerwall and Powerpack products.
- Someone 10y ago
  Sorry, I copied from the wrong press release (I guess I got confused about the two meanings of 'cell' somewhere in my search path. It can be either a solar cell or a battery cell). Panasonic plays a large part in both Tesla's solar cell manufacturing and their battery manufacturing. https://electrek.co/2016/11/02/tesla-panasonic-2170-battery-cell-highest-energy-density-cell-world-cheapest-elon-musk/ https://electrek.co/2016/11/02/tesla-panasonic-2170-battery-...: "Tesla’s current custom 18650 battery cells produced by Panasonic are estimated to have an energy density of ~250 Wh/kg"