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> Ageism is more real than you think. Citation needed. Most of my coworkers are easily over 40. The best programmers I've met at most of my jobs are late forti

> Ageism is more real than you think. Citation needed. Most of my coworkers are easily over 40. The best programmers I've met at most of my jobs are late forties/fifties. What studies are you using, rather than your hypothetical "though process" of the hypothetical employer? > If he's providing $10,000 in value by staying at home, It will be 6x as costly to apply for a $15,000 job than for a $40,000 job. It will be 6x more costly to accept the 15k job than to accept the 40k job. The application costs are still the same. Also, by applying for the 15k job in your example, you are able to a) spend 10k to offset the value you bring at home or keep the 10k and let some chores remain undone and b) Keep 5k regardless. > but most of you are finding the time to comment here, on HN. We are not the ones who have to stretch 30 dollars a week to cover expenses for a family of four. If you have a steady job that doesn't frown too heavily on some procrastination, go ahead. > If you had ever spent job hunting for a significant amount of time, you'd know it's at least as mentally draining as any job, so getting distracted or having some down time isn't unwarranted. We're talking about degrees here. I'm procrastinating right now, but if I procrastinate too long I will end up unemployed, just like this guy. There's a difference between getting distracted and down time, and taking weeks off between interviews. > show some goddamn compassion and maybe step outside of your bubble for once From all accounts, this man who wrote the article is the one in the bubble. It's all about how he feels, how his friends will hurt his feelings if they figure out he's unemployed. He's the one that needs to step outside himself.

antisthenes 10y ago
Cherry picking phrases out of my comment just like you cherry picked the article. > Citation needed. Most of my coworkers are easily over 40. The best programmers I've met at most of my jobs are late forties/fifties Programmers. Programmers. Programmers. This guy is not a programmer. He's not in a senior or even a middle role. Did your coworkers all start coding bootcamps and get their junior positions at the age of 40 and over? If not, then your anecdata is equally as useless as the example you're trying to disprove. > It will be 6x more costly to accept the 15k job than to accept the 40k job. The application costs are still the same. Also, by applying for the 15k job in your example, you are able to a) spend 10k to offset the value you bring at home or keep the 10k and let some chores remain undone and b) Keep 5k regardless. Yes, and he'll have to work 40 hours. You have no idea what his utility preferences are, so suggesting to trade 40 hours/week of work for an additional 5k of compensation is laughable. Especially coming from someone in a position of privilege. > We are not the ones who have to stretch 30 dollars a week to cover expenses for a family of four. If you have a steady job that doesn't frown too heavily on some procrastination, go ahead. Irrelevant. > From all accounts, this man who wrote the article is the one in the bubble. It's all about how he feels, how his friends will hurt his feelings if they figure out he's unemployed. He's the one that needs to step outside himself. And by all accounts you mean your account. Like I already said, someone in your position lacks the perspective to understand what it is to be in that position, not to mention the possible economic trade-offs available. So the value of your account/opinion is null. And no, just because you worked a manual job at some point in your life doesn't qualify.
- jimmywanger 10y ago
  > Cherry picking phrases out of my comment just like you cherry picked the article. Wow, even when you set up straw men you can't knock them over. > This guy is not a programmer. This guy said ageism is big in the valley. He said nothing about roles. > You have no idea what his utility preferences are, so suggesting to trade 40 hours/week of work for an additional 5k of compensation is laughable. Reading comprehension much? I said it doesn't cost him more to apply, just that it costs him more to accept. > Irrelevant. Ridiculous. See how you need reasons for your opinions before they convince anybody? Maybe you should take some rhetorical courses before spewing nonsense. > So the value of your account/opinion is null. That's ridiculous. That absolutely negates all discourse, as you can simply write off somebody's thoughts/reasons as not relevant, because their situation is not exactly the same as yours. You notice that the more examples your arguments can apply to, the weaker and sillier they sound?

antisthenes 10y ago

Cherry picking phrases out of my comment just like you cherry picked the article. > Citation needed. Most of my coworkers are easily over 40. The best programmers I've met at most of my jobs are late forties/fifties Programmers. Programmers. Programmers. This guy is not a programmer. He's not in a senior or even a middle role. Did your coworkers all start coding bootcamps and get their junior positions at the age of 40 and over? If not, then your anecdata is equally as useless as the example you're trying to disprove. > It will be 6x more costly to accept the 15k job than to accept the 40k job. The application costs are still the same. Also, by applying for the 15k job in your example, you are able to a) spend 10k to offset the value you bring at home or keep the 10k and let some chores remain undone and b) Keep 5k regardless. Yes, and he'll have to work 40 hours. You have no idea what his utility preferences are, so suggesting to trade 40 hours/week of work for an additional 5k of compensation is laughable. Especially coming from someone in a position of privilege. > We are not the ones who have to stretch 30 dollars a week to cover expenses for a family of four. If you have a steady job that doesn't frown too heavily on some procrastination, go ahead. Irrelevant. > From all accounts, this man who wrote the article is the one in the bubble. It's all about how he feels, how his friends will hurt his feelings if they figure out he's unemployed. He's the one that needs to step outside himself. And by all accounts you mean your account. Like I already said, someone in your position lacks the perspective to understand what it is to be in that position, not to mention the possible economic trade-offs available. So the value of your account/opinion is null. And no, just because you worked a manual job at some point in your life doesn't qualify.

jimmywanger 10y ago
> Cherry picking phrases out of my comment just like you cherry picked the article. Wow, even when you set up straw men you can't knock them over. > This guy is not a programmer. This guy said ageism is big in the valley. He said nothing about roles. > You have no idea what his utility preferences are, so suggesting to trade 40 hours/week of work for an additional 5k of compensation is laughable. Reading comprehension much? I said it doesn't cost him more to apply, just that it costs him more to accept. > Irrelevant. Ridiculous. See how you need reasons for your opinions before they convince anybody? Maybe you should take some rhetorical courses before spewing nonsense. > So the value of your account/opinion is null. That's ridiculous. That absolutely negates all discourse, as you can simply write off somebody's thoughts/reasons as not relevant, because their situation is not exactly the same as yours. You notice that the more examples your arguments can apply to, the weaker and sillier they sound?