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Russian Ambassador to Turkey Fatally Shot

43 points by forrestbrazeal 10y ago

AdamGibbins 10y ago
Existing thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13213108 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13213108
anigbrowl 10y ago
Turkey and Russia have skirmished several times over the past couple of years. Also, Turkey is a member of NATO and other members are obliged by treaty to come to their aid if attacked. This is pretty serious.
- ealexhudson 10y ago
  Obama wouldn't start a new conflict at this point and Trump has openly questioned the need for NATO. If Turkey wanted/needed support from NATO the US wouldn't come, and it's unlikely that many other Allies would join them if the US did not (since that would risk pushing the US from belligerence to actual alignment with Russia, and the immediate end of NATO).
  - anigbrowl 10y ago
    s/Turkey/Czechoslovakia
- dingaling 10y ago
  The degree to which the other NATO nations are required to render assistance under 'collective reponse' is entirely undefined and subjective. A box of 7.62mm ammunition would qualify.
  - anigbrowl 10y ago
    It would also destroy NATO's credibility, resulting in huge political fallout and arms races all over the place. The Baltic states were already feeling uncomfortable after events in Ukraine, a default of any kind would convince them that they were on their own.
alrs 10y ago
Notable that this happened less than 24 hours before a trilateral meeting between Turkey, Russia, and Iran to negotiate a peace in Syria without any US involvement. http://tass.com/politics/920319 http://tass.com/politics/920319
dang 10y ago
This is a good example of the kind of political and current-affairs story that does not belong on HN. Remember that most politics are off topic here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- anigbrowl 10y ago
  dan you're being disingenuous here. The historical significance of an incident like this is unusually clear.
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  - dang 10y ago
    I'm disappointed to see you resort to a term like "disingenuous". Historical significance is just what's not clear from media reports in the first hours after an incident. Even if that were true, though, it doesn't follow that the story is on topic here.
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theandrewbailey 10y ago
Good for them for not naming the gunman.
andr 10y ago
To make a tense situation even worse, the gunman was apparently a member of Turkish security forces.

Existing thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13213108 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13213108

Turkey and Russia have skirmished several times over the past couple of years. Also, Turkey is a member of NATO and other members are obliged by treaty to come to their aid if attacked. This is pretty serious.

ealexhudson 10y ago
Obama wouldn't start a new conflict at this point and Trump has openly questioned the need for NATO. If Turkey wanted/needed support from NATO the US wouldn't come, and it's unlikely that many other Allies would join them if the US did not (since that would risk pushing the US from belligerence to actual alignment with Russia, and the immediate end of NATO).
- anigbrowl 10y ago
  s/Turkey/Czechoslovakia
dingaling 10y ago
The degree to which the other NATO nations are required to render assistance under 'collective reponse' is entirely undefined and subjective. A box of 7.62mm ammunition would qualify.
- anigbrowl 10y ago
  It would also destroy NATO's credibility, resulting in huge political fallout and arms races all over the place. The Baltic states were already feeling uncomfortable after events in Ukraine, a default of any kind would convince them that they were on their own.

alrs 10y ago

Notable that this happened less than 24 hours before a trilateral meeting between Turkey, Russia, and Iran to negotiate a peace in Syria without any US involvement. http://tass.com/politics/920319 http://tass.com/politics/920319

dang 10y ago

This is a good example of the kind of political and current-affairs story that does not belong on HN. Remember that most politics are off topic here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

anigbrowl 10y ago
dan you're being disingenuous here. The historical significance of an incident like this is unusually clear.
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- dang 10y ago
  I'm disappointed to see you resort to a term like "disingenuous". Historical significance is just what's not clear from media reports in the first hours after an incident. Even if that were true, though, it doesn't follow that the story is on topic here.
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theandrewbailey 10y ago

Good for them for not naming the gunman.

andr 10y ago

To make a tense situation even worse, the gunman was apparently a member of Turkish security forces.