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I'm not defending him, but looking for an opportunity to learn. can anyone recommend a way to improve communication to be nicer? i.e. It appears this branch
by fosco 10y ago
I'm not defending him, but looking for an opportunity to learn. can anyone recommend a way to improve communication to be nicer?
i.e. It appears this branch does not even compile, please check this before submitting in the future?
and also identifying the root cause, "this type of error can be avoided in the future by allocated more time to testing before submitting.?
thoughts? I guess its much easier to respond how Linus did out of frustration...
- inimino 10y agoIt is also possible that he communicates that way by choice, to establish and maintain a baseline expectation for future behavior.
- ivraatiems 10y agoYes, and that baseline expectation is "I am abusive and hurtful and you all have to deal with it because I run this place. Good luck." I wouldn't work for someone with that expectation.
- inimino 10y agoWell, most people wouldn't work with Steve Jobs by choice either, but a few did.
- ivraatiems 10y agoThat doesn't make those people deserving of abuse, it just indicates they were willing to subject themselves to it in service of something. What's your point?
- inimino 10y agoMy point? Certain personality characteristics can get results. Was there another person out there with all of Jobs's abilities but none of the rough edges? Some people are sweetly manipulative, personally I'd rather work with someone who occasionally swears. My overall position in this thread is somewhere between "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen" and "don't kibitz if you don't know the game".
- justinlaster 10y agoHow is this abusive and hurtful? They chose to abuse trust and got hurt by their own arrogance. It was lazy, arrogant, and unbefitting of their positions. They deserved far worse.
- inimino 10y agoThey deserved far worse? Like what? They made a mistake, they got flamed and they won't make that mistake again. Others are also less likely to make this mistake, which is very likely why he does it that way.
- justinlaster 10y agoThey actually didn't get flamed. There was no personal attack, even though he was well in the right to do so.
- choward 10y agoFor when he decides to run for president.
- inimino 10y agoPointing out the ambiguity of my post! You made me chuckle. For the record, and in case anyone was confused, I meant a baseline for the behavior of others.
- contingencies 10y agoIt appears this branch does not even compile, please check this before submitting in the future? Maybe migrate from ancient featureless mailing lists to any decent open source CI pipeline to require branch-validation before wasting other people's time with discussion?
- forgottenpass 10y agoIs your post written in ignorance of Intel's "0-day bot," kernelci, et al. or are you just complaining about the workflow it uses? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyenmLqJQjs&feature=youtu.be&t=1354 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyenmLqJQjs&feature=youtu.be... Edit: kbuild catching build failure in question: https://lists.01.org/pipermail/kbuild-all/2016-December/028746.html https://lists.01.org/pipermail/kbuild-all/2016-December/0287...
- contingencies 10y agoThe situation described was Linus going nuts about an unchecked branch being posted for discussion. The question was asked how this can be avoided. The point I was making was that technical, workflow-management oriented solutions can solve these things before they happen.