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"This is shit, get your act together" is more than just blunt, it's rude and insulting. Plus this is just one relatively small incident out of many many over th

"This is shit, get your act together" is more than just blunt, it's rude and insulting. Plus this is just one relatively small incident out of many many over the years. Professional communication in a public setting means not being rude and offensive. If my best friend shows me something and I say "what the fuck were you thinking?", that's one thing. That's not what's happening here. What would be lost by Linus just saying "this clearly doesn't work. Don't submit things without compile-testing in the future."?

funnyfacts365 10y ago
Where are the personalidade attacks? You thrown the accusation around, the ball is on your court to prove it. Stop beating around the bush and answer the question.
- ivraatiems 10y ago
  I was very clear in my reply to parent about what in this discussion constitutes a personal attack. Others apparently have a different definition of the term.
shakna 10y ago
... Rude and insulting? Crap is crap. Don't pretend to polish a turd. I seriously do not understand why you think it's insulting. Because a swear word was used for emphasis? And they weren't a friend. A colleague. In a professional review of their conduct. What would be lost is this: standards. Linus shouldn't have had to deal with the issue, and that was immediately acknowledged by the correspondents, who truly did not seem offended, "my bad".
- ivraatiems 10y ago
  How would standards be lost? The exact same change in behavior is being requested, just more politely. I think it's insulting because it's an implied value judgment on a person as a person, not just a judgment on the work. I don't understand why you don't think it's insulting. If I'm trying to do my job, and you come in and shit all over me in public because I made a mistake, which one of us is the problem? Would you really want to work for someone who thinks it's okay to do that as a management technique?
  - shakna 10y ago
    I'll just focus on one thing here: The only implication of judgement upon the person is one you have applied yourself. It isn't even one the recipients have seen. The judgement is entirely on the work: seen by how the fixed work is gratefully added to the whole, in a manner befitting the project. If a Finn wished to insult you and not just your work, there would be no implication. It would be explicit.

funnyfacts365 10y ago

Where are the personalidade attacks? You thrown the accusation around, the ball is on your court to prove it. Stop beating around the bush and answer the question.

ivraatiems 10y ago
I was very clear in my reply to parent about what in this discussion constitutes a personal attack. Others apparently have a different definition of the term.

shakna 10y ago

... Rude and insulting? Crap is crap. Don't pretend to polish a turd. I seriously do not understand why you think it's insulting. Because a swear word was used for emphasis? And they weren't a friend. A colleague. In a professional review of their conduct. What would be lost is this: standards. Linus shouldn't have had to deal with the issue, and that was immediately acknowledged by the correspondents, who truly did not seem offended, "my bad".

ivraatiems 10y ago
How would standards be lost? The exact same change in behavior is being requested, just more politely. I think it's insulting because it's an implied value judgment on a person as a person, not just a judgment on the work. I don't understand why you don't think it's insulting. If I'm trying to do my job, and you come in and shit all over me in public because I made a mistake, which one of us is the problem? Would you really want to work for someone who thinks it's okay to do that as a management technique?
- shakna 10y ago
  I'll just focus on one thing here: The only implication of judgement upon the person is one you have applied yourself. It isn't even one the recipients have seen. The judgement is entirely on the work: seen by how the fixed work is gratefully added to the whole, in a manner befitting the project. If a Finn wished to insult you and not just your work, there would be no implication. It would be explicit.