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Edit: I partially misunderstood the parent comment. See below. Your viewpoint is antithetical to open intellectual discourse. You specifically call for censors

by wyager 10y ago

Edit: I partially misunderstood the parent comment. See below. Your viewpoint is antithetical to open intellectual discourse. You specifically call for censorship on political grounds, not even because of something that could be construed as an attack. To quote: > but their views only come across in the content they post here, not as a form of attacking other groups on the site or off the site Fringe political ideas should not be suppressed, especially if they aren't even attacking anyone. HN's decent level of open discourse is not a "problem", it's one of the things that makes this site better than e.g. Reddit.

legodt 10y ago
I never called for censoring groups, I was just outlining the problems faced here. If you read back up to parent, what I'm trying to get at is saying that despite HM harboring these regressive actors, at no point are they mobilizing or openly attacking others, so Facebook style content removal or moderation does not cross-apply here. I think we may be more on the same page than you realize
- wyager 10y ago
  Ah, you're right, I misunderstood. Editing my comment.
- empressplay 10y ago
  Calling them "regressive actors" only contributes to the "problem", it doesn't help it.
  - legodt 10y ago
    Although their views may be seen as rephrensible from my perspective I still see their value as contributors to this site considering most topics that they are contributing to discussion on won't bring up these issues
DanBC 10y ago
> I'm downvoting you > censorship > Fringe political ideas should not be suppressed, especially if they aren't even attacking anyone. Hypocrite.
jonathankoren 10y ago
You think Reddit has a lack of "open discourse"? That's strange. While Reddit has problems with brigading and the like, so does HN. So if Reddit has a problem, and HN does not. How do HN and Voat compare? Or HN and 4chan? Or HN and 8chan?
- wnoise 10y ago
  There are also many subreddits where expressing even slight deviations from the dogma earns you instant permanent bans.

by wyager 10y ago

legodt 10y ago

I never called for censoring groups, I was just outlining the problems faced here. If you read back up to parent, what I'm trying to get at is saying that despite HM harboring these regressive actors, at no point are they mobilizing or openly attacking others, so Facebook style content removal or moderation does not cross-apply here. I think we may be more on the same page than you realize

wyager 10y ago
Ah, you're right, I misunderstood. Editing my comment.
empressplay 10y ago
Calling them "regressive actors" only contributes to the "problem", it doesn't help it.
- legodt 10y ago
  Although their views may be seen as rephrensible from my perspective I still see their value as contributors to this site considering most topics that they are contributing to discussion on won't bring up these issues

DanBC 10y ago

> I'm downvoting you > censorship > Fringe political ideas should not be suppressed, especially if they aren't even attacking anyone. Hypocrite.

jonathankoren 10y ago

You think Reddit has a lack of "open discourse"? That's strange. While Reddit has problems with brigading and the like, so does HN. So if Reddit has a problem, and HN does not. How do HN and Voat compare? Or HN and 4chan? Or HN and 8chan?

wnoise 10y ago
There are also many subreddits where expressing even slight deviations from the dogma earns you instant permanent bans.