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I remember a similary story, though not creepy, where journalist gave out free credit cards, and then tracked their usage. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201

I remember a similary story, though not creepy, where journalist gave out free credit cards, and then tracked their usage. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2010/08/28/how_panhandlers_use_free_credit_cards.html https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2010/08/28/how_panhandlers_...

tyingq 10y ago
Seems creepy to me, given that he didn't disclose that he would look at what was purchased later. He did disclose that he wanted the card back after they used it, which I suppose is halfway there. Edit: LCBO, in the article, is apparently the state-run liquor stores in Ontario.
iamjeff 10y ago
That was quite a difficult story to read. While there is an expectation of accountability for gifts/donations, it was still a little discouraging to find out that this expectation was not clarified beforehand. This was in no way empirical and the reporting feels anecdotal, even the repeatedly suggestive mentions of the liquor store purchases (can't the poor get drunk too...). But I find it difficult to accept that researchers are the only ones encumbered with ethical responsibilities. However, it is worthwhile to know that he did disclose that he is a reporter, although the fact that he gave them free credit cards, but could not bring self to find further assistance leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. That said, OP reminds me of two interesting DEFCON talks [1] [2] [3] re similar issues. In the contexts delivered in the talks, it seems permissible to say that the crooks were fair game. 1- DEF CON 18 - Zoz - Pwned By The Owner: What Happens When You Steal A Hacker's Computer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwpg-AwJ0Jc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwpg-AwJ0Jc) 2- DEF CON 23: Confessions of a Professional Cyber Stalker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVJGY2bZ-Ko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVJGY2bZ-Ko) 3- bonus resource on how to set up something similar to Zoz's Inspired by the defcon hacker who found his stolen laptop... how to update for present day routers? (https://www.reddit.com/r/Defcon/comments/2428pf/inspired_by_the_defcon_hacker_who_found_his/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Defcon/comments/2428pf/inspired_by_...)
- aub3bhat 10y ago
  Thanks for the DEF CON links! They are very useful.

tyingq 10y ago

Seems creepy to me, given that he didn't disclose that he would look at what was purchased later. He did disclose that he wanted the card back after they used it, which I suppose is halfway there. Edit: LCBO, in the article, is apparently the state-run liquor stores in Ontario.

iamjeff 10y ago

That was quite a difficult story to read. While there is an expectation of accountability for gifts/donations, it was still a little discouraging to find out that this expectation was not clarified beforehand. This was in no way empirical and the reporting feels anecdotal, even the repeatedly suggestive mentions of the liquor store purchases (can't the poor get drunk too...). But I find it difficult to accept that researchers are the only ones encumbered with ethical responsibilities. However, it is worthwhile to know that he did disclose that he is a reporter, although the fact that he gave them free credit cards, but could not bring self to find further assistance leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. That said, OP reminds me of two interesting DEFCON talks [1] [2] [3] re similar issues. In the contexts delivered in the talks, it seems permissible to say that the crooks were fair game. 1- DEF CON 18 - Zoz - Pwned By The Owner: What Happens When You Steal A Hacker's Computer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwpg-AwJ0Jc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwpg-AwJ0Jc) 2- DEF CON 23: Confessions of a Professional Cyber Stalker (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVJGY2bZ-Ko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVJGY2bZ-Ko) 3- bonus resource on how to set up something similar to Zoz's Inspired by the defcon hacker who found his stolen laptop... how to update for present day routers? (https://www.reddit.com/r/Defcon/comments/2428pf/inspired_by_the_defcon_hacker_who_found_his/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Defcon/comments/2428pf/inspired_by_...)

aub3bhat 10y ago
Thanks for the DEF CON links! They are very useful.