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Because there is now a sufficient majority of Turks who want to destroy the secular Turkey, apply gradually more and more islamic country and get rid of Turkey'

by myf01d 10y ago

Because there is now a sufficient majority of Turks who want to destroy the secular Turkey, apply gradually more and more islamic country and get rid of Turkey's within enemies: Secular people and Kurds. Erdogan is just listening to the people like he says, he only additionally wants to destroy and humiliate his personal and political enemies because he is a psycho. Furthermore, he adores money, his family built an multi-billion empire during his reign.

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shsyqbaw 10y ago
That's a good question: if there's a majority of Turks who support the regime, what's the problem? Can't we like, leave them in peace? Do we have to impose western politics everywhere in the world??
- myf01d 10y ago
  The real question should be: Why does the US want to apply "democracy" and "human rights" using all means including interventions and civil wars like in Iraq, Syria and Libya but it acts as if there nothing happens for more criminal regimes like in Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar?
  - Zenst 10y ago
    Indeed and does highlight a level of corruption in which money allows you to get away with murder, most literally in some Middle Eastern countries you mention. This and the EU's pokemon attitude to the European tectonic pklate of got too collect them all, seems to allow some serious issues to get dismissed and overlooked in Turkey alone. As for Qatar and Saudi Arabia, again, if they were not rich countries would they be allowed as much slack as they do. Still, maybe people had enough of this level of corruption and double-standards being allowed; Which may in part explain how people vote in today's times.
  - enraged_camel 10y ago
    With Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the answer is obvious: because those countries invest boatloads of money in the American economy, and losing that money would be bad. Turkey is a NATO ally and has a very powerful and experienced military as well as a strong sense of national identity. The USA could not openly intervene like it did with Iraq, Syria and Libya.
  - ercu 10y ago
    Actually most of the Turkish people think that US has tried to coup in Turkey with the help of CIA and very religious and anti-secular (who hates Ataturk) Gulen group. That group is so dangerous that they even faked themselves as secular on coup text which was read on tv forcedly. That religious group has been ruling the country with their own politicians, lawyers, soldiers for the last 40 years however they want. Erdogan helped them gain power against real secular people and even jailed secular soldiers and journalists with this partnership. Many good people died in jail because of getting cancer. Currently he is in a war against his old friend Gulen and clearing Turkey up from them. Both secular people and his fans support this action as that group ruined the country. However Erdogan is upset at EU and US because they left him alone with his war so that's why he tries to provocate EU. Don't give a meaning to his sayings/actions. Btw Kurds and PKK (terrorists) are very different. Don't get fooled by western media.
- Zenst 10y ago
  Real crux comes how the EU is bending over backwards to borg them and yet the majority of Europeans do not care for the state of Turkey and its actions, let alone absorbing them into the EU. This and people confuse western politics with humanity and moral standards and that is an area in which Turkey is nose-diving at an alarming rate. Very concerning indeed :(.
- enraged_camel 10y ago
  >>if there's a majority of Turks who support the regime, what's the problem? There are at least two problems. First, the "will of the people" argument works only if there is a strong culture of democracy, respect for the rule of law and proper representation of minorities. None of those things exist in Turkey (I'm Turkish). Typically, what happens when Erdogan wins elections is that he views it as a "mandate" and starts oppressing the shit out of his opposition by jailing or exiling people who disagree with him. He has gone so far as to use his party to change laws in his favor. And all those infrastructure improvements he has made? They have all enriched himself and his buddies (called "crony capitalism"). Second, Turkey is an extremely important player in the Middle East. If we want the region to stop spiraling out of control, there needs to be a modern, stable and secular democracy with a Muslim population there that can be used as a model by other countries. Otherwise the region will always be in turmoil, which will inevitably spill over to Europe and the rest of the world (in the form of refugees, extremist terrorists, etc.).
- kutkloon7 10y ago
  If you don't vote for Erdogan, you have a serious problem. I don't like Hitler comparisons, and I don't want to say that Erdogan is comparable to Hitler, but it's a bit like saying 'If Hitler was elected democratically, what's the problem?'.

by myf01d 10y ago

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shsyqbaw 10y ago

That's a good question: if there's a majority of Turks who support the regime, what's the problem? Can't we like, leave them in peace? Do we have to impose western politics everywhere in the world??

myf01d 10y ago
The real question should be: Why does the US want to apply "democracy" and "human rights" using all means including interventions and civil wars like in Iraq, Syria and Libya but it acts as if there nothing happens for more criminal regimes like in Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar?
- Zenst 10y ago
  Indeed and does highlight a level of corruption in which money allows you to get away with murder, most literally in some Middle Eastern countries you mention. This and the EU's pokemon attitude to the European tectonic pklate of got too collect them all, seems to allow some serious issues to get dismissed and overlooked in Turkey alone. As for Qatar and Saudi Arabia, again, if they were not rich countries would they be allowed as much slack as they do. Still, maybe people had enough of this level of corruption and double-standards being allowed; Which may in part explain how people vote in today's times.
- enraged_camel 10y ago
  With Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the answer is obvious: because those countries invest boatloads of money in the American economy, and losing that money would be bad. Turkey is a NATO ally and has a very powerful and experienced military as well as a strong sense of national identity. The USA could not openly intervene like it did with Iraq, Syria and Libya.
- ercu 10y ago
  Actually most of the Turkish people think that US has tried to coup in Turkey with the help of CIA and very religious and anti-secular (who hates Ataturk) Gulen group. That group is so dangerous that they even faked themselves as secular on coup text which was read on tv forcedly. That religious group has been ruling the country with their own politicians, lawyers, soldiers for the last 40 years however they want. Erdogan helped them gain power against real secular people and even jailed secular soldiers and journalists with this partnership. Many good people died in jail because of getting cancer. Currently he is in a war against his old friend Gulen and clearing Turkey up from them. Both secular people and his fans support this action as that group ruined the country. However Erdogan is upset at EU and US because they left him alone with his war so that's why he tries to provocate EU. Don't give a meaning to his sayings/actions. Btw Kurds and PKK (terrorists) are very different. Don't get fooled by western media.
Zenst 10y ago
Real crux comes how the EU is bending over backwards to borg them and yet the majority of Europeans do not care for the state of Turkey and its actions, let alone absorbing them into the EU. This and people confuse western politics with humanity and moral standards and that is an area in which Turkey is nose-diving at an alarming rate. Very concerning indeed :(.
enraged_camel 10y ago
>>if there's a majority of Turks who support the regime, what's the problem? There are at least two problems. First, the "will of the people" argument works only if there is a strong culture of democracy, respect for the rule of law and proper representation of minorities. None of those things exist in Turkey (I'm Turkish). Typically, what happens when Erdogan wins elections is that he views it as a "mandate" and starts oppressing the shit out of his opposition by jailing or exiling people who disagree with him. He has gone so far as to use his party to change laws in his favor. And all those infrastructure improvements he has made? They have all enriched himself and his buddies (called "crony capitalism"). Second, Turkey is an extremely important player in the Middle East. If we want the region to stop spiraling out of control, there needs to be a modern, stable and secular democracy with a Muslim population there that can be used as a model by other countries. Otherwise the region will always be in turmoil, which will inevitably spill over to Europe and the rest of the world (in the form of refugees, extremist terrorists, etc.).
kutkloon7 10y ago
If you don't vote for Erdogan, you have a serious problem. I don't like Hitler comparisons, and I don't want to say that Erdogan is comparable to Hitler, but it's a bit like saying 'If Hitler was elected democratically, what's the problem?'.