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I find having substantially less than 100 apps very easy, but I would find living without most of my possessions (the things I cook with, the clothes I wear to

I find having substantially less than 100 apps very easy, but I would find living without most of my possessions (the things I cook with, the clothes I wear to work) incredibly difficult. Do you feel like having a second pair of socks would really weigh you down? How is sleeping on the floor acceptable but having less than 100 apps hard?

miguelrochefort 10y ago
> I find having substantially less than 100 apps very easy, but I would find living without most of my possessions (the things I cook with, the clothes I wear to work) incredibly difficult. You need to embrace the fact that delegating is ultimately more efficient than the alternative. You can focus a lot more on what matters when you let others cook for you, drive you around, repair your stuff, wash your stuff, etc. Once you realize that, owning a washing machine, a oven, a car, a house, power tools, makes very little sense. Unfortunately, these services tend to be expensive, but hopefully this will change once more people migrate to a similar lifestyle. Regarding apps, you can't avoid them anymore. I have apps for door locks, alarms, parking meters, taxi, food, pressure cooker, time sheets, messaging (10), etc. > Do you feel like having a second pair of socks would really weigh you down? I agree that one pair is extreme, but it taught me that I really don't need more, which is the key here. I will mots likely add a second pair for convenience at some point. > How is sleeping on the floor acceptable but having less than 100 apps hard? I sleep on the floor by choice. I happen to sleep next to my bed.
- k-mcgrady 10y ago
  >> "Regarding apps, you can't avoid them anymore. I have apps for door locks, alarms, parking meters, taxi, food, pressure cooker, time sheets, messaging (10), etc." How is this minimalist by any definition? None of those things need an app and work perfectly fine without one. It sounds like you are adding things in the digital sphere that you don't need and removing things from the physical sphere that you do need (for example a bed). Also - you have a bed, how is sleeping on the floor next to it 'minimalist'? I've slept on a floor for 6 months - it is terrible for your back. We are not designed to live like that anymore.
  - miguelrochefort 10y ago
    > How is this minimalist by any definition? None of those things need an app and work perfectly fine without one. - Without the door lock app, I need to carry keys. - Without the workplace alarm app, I can't go to work early or leave late. - Without the taxi app, I need to call a taxi. - Without the pressure cooker app, I can't use half of the functions. - Without the time sheets app, I need to use the website which is unusable on mobile. - Without the messaging apps, there are people I can't easily communicate with. These were just few examples, but I use a lot more apps. With everything now becoming "smart", we'll soon need a lot more apps (roughly 1 app per item in your house). That is, if we don't solve the app problem first. > I've slept on a floor for 6 months - it is terrible for your back. We are not designed to live like that anymore. I've read the opposite. I sleep very well on the floor, better than on a bed. Note that I don't sleep directly on the floor, but on a blanket.
    - k-mcgrady 10y ago
      This is interesting. My counter point to the door lock app for example would be that although you're reducing the things you have to carry you are introducing complexity where it is not necessary. At least that is my experience when it comes to 'smart' products. Regarding sleeping on the floor - are you just folding up a blanking or are you using a sleeping mat? Also, is the floor concrete or wood and what material is it covered with (carpet, wood, tile, etc.)? My experience was pretty horrendous on a carpet covered concrete floor with a blanket to lie on and a sleeping bag to lie in. Have you noticed any positives from the experience?
      - miguelrochefort 10y ago
        > This is interesting. My counter point to the door lock app for example would be that although you're reducing the things you have to carry you are introducing complexity where it is not necessary. At least that is my experience when it comes to 'smart' products. Even if it only works 99% of the time, I consider it an improvement. If it doesn't work, I can use the garage door (with a PIN), or get the hidden key. I understand that not everyone have these options, but in my case it works out fine. > Regarding sleeping on the floor - are you just folding up a blanking or are you using a sleeping mat? Also, is the floor concrete or wood and what material is it covered with (carpet, wood, tile, etc.)? The floor is wood. Second floor. The blanket is currently an unzipped sleeping bag (cotton interior). > Have you noticed any positives from the experience? I was looking at alternative sleeping surfaces. I read about memory foam, air beds, water beds, futons, etc. Then I read about floor sleeping, and I liked the simplicity of it. Imagine not depending on a soft surface to sleep comfortably? I decided to give it a try. At first my body would hurt, but after a week the pain was gone. I did not notice any big difference between sleeping on the floor and sleep on a bed, which surprised me (I thought it would be more difficult). I don't tend to linger as much as I did with a bed, and getting up tends to be easier. Ultimately, I'll go with what is more convenient, whether that's the floor, a futon, or a full bed. I'm happy to know that I have this option, but I'm not religious about it.

miguelrochefort 10y ago

> I find having substantially less than 100 apps very easy, but I would find living without most of my possessions (the things I cook with, the clothes I wear to work) incredibly difficult. You need to embrace the fact that delegating is ultimately more efficient than the alternative. You can focus a lot more on what matters when you let others cook for you, drive you around, repair your stuff, wash your stuff, etc. Once you realize that, owning a washing machine, a oven, a car, a house, power tools, makes very little sense. Unfortunately, these services tend to be expensive, but hopefully this will change once more people migrate to a similar lifestyle. Regarding apps, you can't avoid them anymore. I have apps for door locks, alarms, parking meters, taxi, food, pressure cooker, time sheets, messaging (10), etc. > Do you feel like having a second pair of socks would really weigh you down? I agree that one pair is extreme, but it taught me that I really don't need more, which is the key here. I will mots likely add a second pair for convenience at some point. > How is sleeping on the floor acceptable but having less than 100 apps hard? I sleep on the floor by choice. I happen to sleep next to my bed.

k-mcgrady 10y ago
>> "Regarding apps, you can't avoid them anymore. I have apps for door locks, alarms, parking meters, taxi, food, pressure cooker, time sheets, messaging (10), etc." How is this minimalist by any definition? None of those things need an app and work perfectly fine without one. It sounds like you are adding things in the digital sphere that you don't need and removing things from the physical sphere that you do need (for example a bed). Also - you have a bed, how is sleeping on the floor next to it 'minimalist'? I've slept on a floor for 6 months - it is terrible for your back. We are not designed to live like that anymore.
- miguelrochefort 10y ago
  > How is this minimalist by any definition? None of those things need an app and work perfectly fine without one. - Without the door lock app, I need to carry keys. - Without the workplace alarm app, I can't go to work early or leave late. - Without the taxi app, I need to call a taxi. - Without the pressure cooker app, I can't use half of the functions. - Without the time sheets app, I need to use the website which is unusable on mobile. - Without the messaging apps, there are people I can't easily communicate with. These were just few examples, but I use a lot more apps. With everything now becoming "smart", we'll soon need a lot more apps (roughly 1 app per item in your house). That is, if we don't solve the app problem first. > I've slept on a floor for 6 months - it is terrible for your back. We are not designed to live like that anymore. I've read the opposite. I sleep very well on the floor, better than on a bed. Note that I don't sleep directly on the floor, but on a blanket.
  - k-mcgrady 10y ago
    This is interesting. My counter point to the door lock app for example would be that although you're reducing the things you have to carry you are introducing complexity where it is not necessary. At least that is my experience when it comes to 'smart' products. Regarding sleeping on the floor - are you just folding up a blanking or are you using a sleeping mat? Also, is the floor concrete or wood and what material is it covered with (carpet, wood, tile, etc.)? My experience was pretty horrendous on a carpet covered concrete floor with a blanket to lie on and a sleeping bag to lie in. Have you noticed any positives from the experience?
    - miguelrochefort 10y ago
      > This is interesting. My counter point to the door lock app for example would be that although you're reducing the things you have to carry you are introducing complexity where it is not necessary. At least that is my experience when it comes to 'smart' products. Even if it only works 99% of the time, I consider it an improvement. If it doesn't work, I can use the garage door (with a PIN), or get the hidden key. I understand that not everyone have these options, but in my case it works out fine. > Regarding sleeping on the floor - are you just folding up a blanking or are you using a sleeping mat? Also, is the floor concrete or wood and what material is it covered with (carpet, wood, tile, etc.)? The floor is wood. Second floor. The blanket is currently an unzipped sleeping bag (cotton interior). > Have you noticed any positives from the experience? I was looking at alternative sleeping surfaces. I read about memory foam, air beds, water beds, futons, etc. Then I read about floor sleeping, and I liked the simplicity of it. Imagine not depending on a soft surface to sleep comfortably? I decided to give it a try. At first my body would hurt, but after a week the pain was gone. I did not notice any big difference between sleeping on the floor and sleep on a bed, which surprised me (I thought it would be more difficult). I don't tend to linger as much as I did with a bed, and getting up tends to be easier. Ultimately, I'll go with what is more convenient, whether that's the floor, a futon, or a full bed. I'm happy to know that I have this option, but I'm not religious about it.