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In my experience, these countries do not have the sophistication to do such things on their own, they usually hire (often Western) outside firms to do this. I
by edblarney 10y ago
In my experience, these countries do not have the sophistication to do such things on their own, they usually hire (often Western) outside firms to do this.
I think it would be helpful if the press would 'name names' in terms of the companies that are enabling this.
- wfn 10y ago> they usually hire (often Western) outside firms to do this. Yep, such as Cisco which helps China, to quote Cisco's pitch slides, "combat ‘Falun Gong’ evil religion and other hostiles" (https://www.wired.com/2008/05/leaked-cisco-do https://www.wired.com/2008/05/leaked-cisco-do ; https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/files/cisco_presentation.pdf https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/files/cisco_p... (PDF)).
- edblarney 10y agoChina definitely has the capabilities they need. They might get help from Cisco, but they don't need to. I worked in an F50 that sold services, and we were constantly having to 'help' countries like Tunisia, Kazakstan etc. do some things we didn't want them to do, we tried to steer clear of being involved but we could not in some circumstances. But it wasn't that bad, it was mostly porn filtering and such.
- bogomipz 10y agoWhat's an F50?
- SCHiM 10y agoWhich company was this?
- edblarney 10y ago"Which company was this?" There's no way I would name the company, it would be a breach of confidentiality. If there was something tantamount to whistle-blowing, possibly, but there was nothing illegal going on. "What is F50?" 'Fortune 50'
- tyingq 10y agoThis article suggests that Turkey is doing this kind of work themselves: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304626304579505912518706936 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527023046263045795059... Although, it does mention some help from Google with YouTube... "In late 2012, Google launched a local version of YouTube, a move that allowed the company to block access to some videos within Turkey while making them available elsewhere. " Edit: Ahh, did find one US company with deep packet inspection tech assisting Turkey...Procera. http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2016/10/25/procera-francisco-partners-turkey-surveillance-erdogan/#76e8bc9075ce http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2016/10/25/procer...
- gaius 10y agoThat's a very Western attitude. Turkey is an advanced country with amongst others, a sophisticated aerospace industry. There is no reason they can't have local expertise in networking, which lets face it is simple in comparison.
- edblarney 10y ago"That's a very Western attitude" Yeah. Sure. Turkey can make airplanes. Great. They still need help with a lot of things. Can you name any Turkish companies that build packet sniffing hardware? That design special ASICS for this? Content filtering solutions? Specialized networking gear? Maybe, but probably not. The vast majority of countries that have 'controlled internet' scenarios cannot do it themselves, or rather, it would be very difficult to do. In fact - which countries could do it alone ... Russia, China, surely. India. Turkey ... probably not. Saudi, Morocco, Jordan, Egypt, Indo, basically every country in M/E and Africa, pretty much all of South America (maybe Brazil?), probably not Pakistan, not North Korea. Forget 'Western' - there are just a few countries that could do it alone, depending on the degree of sophistication of control. Basically West/North Europe, USA/Can, Japan, S. Korea, Russia, China, India ... Singapore even is probably too small. It's not a long list.
- spaceplane 10y agoI have actually developed deep packet inspecting firewalls in Turkey. There are both domestic and exported solutions. ISPs are required by law to use one.
- spaceplane 10y agoTurkey has the technology. I have worked on one. Turkish science council gives large grants for national security related technologies. So even it is not profitable, technologies like DPI are developed by several private firms.
- edblarney 10y agoThat's very interesting. Turkey is a really intriguing place - they are on the threshold of so many thing, culturally, politically, economically. On some days they seem like a regular, modern nation ... the next day there is a 'coup attempt' and the Prez. is announcing mass jailings :)