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Or is it just that healthy people can use the sauna more frequently?

by jey 10y ago

knodi123 10y ago
or in other words, "Maybe these researchers are absolute morons."
- SomeCallMeTim 10y ago
  I do wonder if there was a confounding factor that they didn't successfully isolate. "General health" seems like an obvious one, but some other factor might be more subtle.
  - pg314 10y ago
    From the abstract: analysis [was] adjusted for age, alcohol consumption, body mass index, systolic blood pressure, smoking status, Type 2 diabetes, previous myocardial infarction, resting heart rate and serum low-density lipoprotein cholesterol [1]. Of course, that doesn't rule out all confounding factors. [1] http://ageing.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/12/07/ageing.afw212.abstract?sid=6d9f2e72-6503-48c2-b63f-1dc27c24859f http://ageing.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/12/07/ag...
- pg314 10y ago
  Have you read the study, which is published in a peer-reviewed journal, before making this statement? If not, your comment doesn't add anything useful to the discussion.
  - knodi123 10y ago
    Yes, my comment made a statement that added to the conversation. Maybe you missed it? I'll expand for you. I have studied statistics, and I understand that correlation does not imply causation. However, if you're going to allege that a professional scientific statistician failed to even consider the most trivial and obvious of non-causative correlations, then you're being insulting. And it's fine to insult scientists. They're not special snowflakes. Do it, if they have a track record of lies, or deceit, or carelessness, or stupidity. But be aware when you're doing it, and why. Don't just blithely say "Hey guys, have we considered the possibility that these scientists are either drooling idiots or evil liars?" That's uncharitable to an extreme. And yes, I've read it. They are not, as OP suggested, drooling idiots or evil liars.
    - pg314 10y ago
      I misunderstood your comment as agreeing with jey's comment and I concur with your explanation here. My apologies and thank you for expanding.
dunkelsten 10y ago
Well, I tried to go to the sauna yesterday, but I forgot where it was.
grenoire 10y ago
Although the correlation may be due to a factor not accounted for, it is not overall health or welfare. As people already mentioned, sauna use is not exactly a luxury in Finland and people who use saunas commit to unhealthy behaviour too.

Or is it just that healthy people can use the sauna more frequently?

by jey 10y ago

Or is it just that healthy people can use the sauna more frequently?

knodi123 10y ago

or in other words, "Maybe these researchers are absolute morons."

SomeCallMeTim 10y ago
I do wonder if there was a confounding factor that they didn't successfully isolate. "General health" seems like an obvious one, but some other factor might be more subtle.
- pg314 10y ago
  From the abstract: analysis [was] adjusted for age, alcohol consumption, body mass index, systolic blood pressure, smoking status, Type 2 diabetes, previous myocardial infarction, resting heart rate and serum low-density lipoprotein cholesterol [1]. Of course, that doesn't rule out all confounding factors. [1] http://ageing.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/12/07/ageing.afw212.abstract?sid=6d9f2e72-6503-48c2-b63f-1dc27c24859f http://ageing.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/12/07/ag...
pg314 10y ago
Have you read the study, which is published in a peer-reviewed journal, before making this statement? If not, your comment doesn't add anything useful to the discussion.
- knodi123 10y ago
  Yes, my comment made a statement that added to the conversation. Maybe you missed it? I'll expand for you. I have studied statistics, and I understand that correlation does not imply causation. However, if you're going to allege that a professional scientific statistician failed to even consider the most trivial and obvious of non-causative correlations, then you're being insulting. And it's fine to insult scientists. They're not special snowflakes. Do it, if they have a track record of lies, or deceit, or carelessness, or stupidity. But be aware when you're doing it, and why. Don't just blithely say "Hey guys, have we considered the possibility that these scientists are either drooling idiots or evil liars?" That's uncharitable to an extreme. And yes, I've read it. They are not, as OP suggested, drooling idiots or evil liars.
  - pg314 10y ago
    I misunderstood your comment as agreeing with jey's comment and I concur with your explanation here. My apologies and thank you for expanding.

dunkelsten 10y ago

Well, I tried to go to the sauna yesterday, but I forgot where it was.

grenoire 10y ago

Although the correlation may be due to a factor not accounted for, it is not overall health or welfare. As people already mentioned, sauna use is not exactly a luxury in Finland and people who use saunas commit to unhealthy behaviour too.