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Is your company actively working on a replacement? I've felt like Flash has been "on it's way out" for the better part of three years. It seems to me that your

by njovin 10y ago

Is your company actively working on a replacement? I've felt like Flash has been "on it's way out" for the better part of three years. It seems to me that your company has had the years it needs to make the change and has chosen not to do so.

sullivanmatt 10y ago
Yes, and we have been for a while. But as you can imagine, you can't stop adding features to your existing product and expect to survive. 1M lines of code isn't something you can port quickly.
- tukelully 10y ago
  Is there some sort of process in place for mitigating the potential "1 step forward, 2 steps back" path of adding features in ActionScript and then having to eventually port them?
  - sullivanmatt 10y ago
    Where we could, we certainly tried to avoid it. The bigger problem is just the opportunity cost with regards to resources involved with the transition.
    - tukelully 10y ago
      Which is a large cost no question. Especially with the size of the codebase you mentioned. What I'm interested in is how, if at all, the transition process is managed. YouTube's transition from Flash might be an example of this. They managed it by creating an opt in sort of beta experience that they tested for a long time before making it the default. Another thing I'd be curious about is the line at which the opportunity cost of not making the transition surpasses the cost of not developing new Flash features.
      - dispose13432 10y ago
        On the other hand, Google has the advantage that it's a web/programming/tech company at heart. So when a CEO hears that Steve Jobs is not allowing Flash on the iPhone (and when a branch of the company helps develop HTML5), he sees the writing on the wall and is willing to work on migrating to HTML5. When a bank CEO, who has no idea about anything except "Well Adobe is a big company and I've never heard anything about this W3C, and how long will it take? How much will I make off it right now?" hears (if he even does) that Apple doesn't like flash, he won't care.
fattire 10y ago
THREE years? I feel like it's been at least ten. The sad thing is I have friends who know the risk of using Flash, but- but there's that ONE (sports-related, in this case) site they need to use... so they won't dump it.
- icebraining 10y ago
  You should tell them to enable click-to-play.
- majewsky 10y ago
  Same for me. I removed the Flash Player from my work notebook in an attempt to increase security, but then noticed that our online meetings are powered by Adobe Connect. Guess what UI technology it uses.

by njovin 10y ago

sullivanmatt 10y ago

Yes, and we have been for a while. But as you can imagine, you can't stop adding features to your existing product and expect to survive. 1M lines of code isn't something you can port quickly.

tukelully 10y ago
Is there some sort of process in place for mitigating the potential "1 step forward, 2 steps back" path of adding features in ActionScript and then having to eventually port them?
- sullivanmatt 10y ago
  Where we could, we certainly tried to avoid it. The bigger problem is just the opportunity cost with regards to resources involved with the transition.
  - tukelully 10y ago
    Which is a large cost no question. Especially with the size of the codebase you mentioned. What I'm interested in is how, if at all, the transition process is managed. YouTube's transition from Flash might be an example of this. They managed it by creating an opt in sort of beta experience that they tested for a long time before making it the default. Another thing I'd be curious about is the line at which the opportunity cost of not making the transition surpasses the cost of not developing new Flash features.
    - dispose13432 10y ago
      On the other hand, Google has the advantage that it's a web/programming/tech company at heart. So when a CEO hears that Steve Jobs is not allowing Flash on the iPhone (and when a branch of the company helps develop HTML5), he sees the writing on the wall and is willing to work on migrating to HTML5. When a bank CEO, who has no idea about anything except "Well Adobe is a big company and I've never heard anything about this W3C, and how long will it take? How much will I make off it right now?" hears (if he even does) that Apple doesn't like flash, he won't care.

fattire 10y ago

THREE years? I feel like it's been at least ten. The sad thing is I have friends who know the risk of using Flash, but- but there's that ONE (sports-related, in this case) site they need to use... so they won't dump it.

icebraining 10y ago
You should tell them to enable click-to-play.
majewsky 10y ago
Same for me. I removed the Flash Player from my work notebook in an attempt to increase security, but then noticed that our online meetings are powered by Adobe Connect. Guess what UI technology it uses.