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Why is it not? How do you know the cat isn't doing something just like that? Because it twitches? Or are you just saying that because it is "programmatic" tha

Why is it not? How do you know the cat isn't doing something just like that? Because it twitches? Or are you just saying that because it is "programmatic" that it doesn't count?

dwaltrip 10y ago
Are you honestly arguing that algorithms of the current AI wave may possess consciousness? Or that they are comparable to a cat? I have no hold ups with programmatic intelligence. I just don't think it has been created yet. Our best attempts are incredibly faint shadows of the general purpose intelligence of living creatures. There have been some great advancements with targeted AI for specific problems. But these approaches don't involve approaching the world holistically or with any high powered general adaptability. They fail calamitously if the parameters in which they operate are barely tweaked and are no more aware than my microwave. I have been thinking more and more these days that it may be very difficult for a general intelligence to arise without a comprehensive, coherent world model that is developed over time through interactive, direct experience in the world.
- robbrown451 10y ago
  "Are you honestly arguing that algorithms of the current AI wave may possess consciousness? " I'm arguing that you haven't defined consciousness in a meaningful way, so that question is unanswerable. It's like debating whether or not a submarine can swim.
  - dwaltrip 10y ago
    I was just responding to your initial claim that a self driving car could dream at night and the suggestion that this might make it conscious.
    - robbrown451 10y ago
      My claim is that the word "conscious" must be clearly defined before you make any claims about whether or not any entity is conscious. Same goes for the word "dream." I must say I find it bizarre that observing an biological entity twitch during a state of decreased activity causes people to speculate that some sort of magic is happening. Or even that they need these concepts that they are unwilling to define to explain it.

Why is it not? How do you know the cat isn't doing something just like that? Because it twitches? Or are you just saying that because it is "programmatic" that it doesn't count?

dwaltrip 10y ago

Are you honestly arguing that algorithms of the current AI wave may possess consciousness? Or that they are comparable to a cat? I have no hold ups with programmatic intelligence. I just don't think it has been created yet. Our best attempts are incredibly faint shadows of the general purpose intelligence of living creatures. There have been some great advancements with targeted AI for specific problems. But these approaches don't involve approaching the world holistically or with any high powered general adaptability. They fail calamitously if the parameters in which they operate are barely tweaked and are no more aware than my microwave. I have been thinking more and more these days that it may be very difficult for a general intelligence to arise without a comprehensive, coherent world model that is developed over time through interactive, direct experience in the world.

robbrown451 10y ago
"Are you honestly arguing that algorithms of the current AI wave may possess consciousness? " I'm arguing that you haven't defined consciousness in a meaningful way, so that question is unanswerable. It's like debating whether or not a submarine can swim.
- dwaltrip 10y ago
  I was just responding to your initial claim that a self driving car could dream at night and the suggestion that this might make it conscious.
  - robbrown451 10y ago
    My claim is that the word "conscious" must be clearly defined before you make any claims about whether or not any entity is conscious. Same goes for the word "dream." I must say I find it bizarre that observing an biological entity twitch during a state of decreased activity causes people to speculate that some sort of magic is happening. Or even that they need these concepts that they are unwilling to define to explain it.